Engine Comes Apart

[yomamma219]

[MENTION=30112]PJB[/MENTION] thank you for your service and sorry your thread turned toxic. Glad to hear everything is working out for you. I think regardless of your specific situation, I would bet Ford at a corporate level is more lenient than normal with the ecoboost​ mustangs. They have invested a lot of R&D and marketing cash on it and probably want to avoid it becoming any sort of PR nightmare and flopping.

On a side note.
I personally don't think EB owners should be hating on one another for any reason on here as there isn't enough of us on here as it is and that will only drive people away. Ideally the only criticisms on here should be objectively constructive in nature. Everyone is welcome to their opinion and banter is inevitable but let's all try to keep our heads on and not take text on a screen personally. I know this is stupid to write as no one will probably read it but I felt it needed to be said as I've seen too many threads getting heated lately. Everyone brings something to a thread even if it's just the thread getting a free bump from a pointless post like this.

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[PJB]

yomamma219, thank you for your comments. You are correct, this forum is designed for giving opinions and letting others gives their views whether they agree or not with any situation put on here. I fully expect some to disagree with my opinions, that's what makes a forum good for open discussion. My issue is when someone wants to go beyond that and make accusations that I have committed a crime. Thank you again.

 

[Witj85]

Lol this place cracks me up... No one committed a crime.. Everyone's alive and no one cares... I do find it funny that you defend your dealer lying to Ford when a lot of other ppl have had to pay out of pocket for the same thing happening.. But go ahead enjoy your "connections".. Lol

 

[Marvinmadman]

How do you guys know that they lied? Maybe they did the right thing and actually ruled out the mods as the cause of failure.

 

[Pipeliner]

Ford is not buying gas from gas stations to test motors. Infact i'd find it highly unlikely they will even use gasoline with ethanol in it for said tests. Let alone the possibility of getting 15% ethanol and then the accompanying water percentage that the ethanol invites.

Worked at a small engine repair place for a few years and did some random tests on fuel from random stations. Eye opening.

You'd be surprised how much water gets into fuel after large rainstorms...

My mechanical background is similar to yours, we regularly tested for ethanol but rarely found over 10%. Its been 4 years since I tested fuel for ethanol percentage.

I now work for a pipeline company and we transfer a considerable amount of fuel. I've spent some time with our quality control people and the steps we take to ensure fuel quality is not sub-par is considerable. Once the product is in our pipeline we are responsible for its quality. We continually monitor for water, ethanol, butane, octane and specific gravity and other parameters to ensure the product we receive from the refinery is exactly what is delivered to the marketing terminal. The fuels are loaded on tank trucks at the marketing terminal and delivered to various retail brand locations. I will say years ago companies were less concerned with the steps that are now taken. Our quality control department is staffed 7 days a week for example.

With the insight I have gained with fuel quality with my job , I now could care less what brand of fuel I buy. If the fuel becomes contaminated it probably occurred at the gas station.

With that said I buy 93 octane unless it's not available.

 

[Maggneto]

First off, the OP and his Ford dealership committed fraud by lying about the presence of a tune. This is fraud like it or not so don't jump down my throat for telling you to stop advertising that you committed fraud. Had Ford been informed that a tune was present and decided an engine defect was the cause of the failure that would be different. That is not what transpired and Ford paid out 7k because of false statements made by the dealership.

Second, you being a vet has got NOTHING to do with anything so why introduce it into this thread? You are exempt from the law because you are in the military?

And third, you are acting like a kid by not understanding the consequences of your actions.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

 

[perfweld]

I personally don't think that people should even post about broken engines without any data why they broke, it only ends in hysteria. To see the side of an engine with windows really means little other than a broken rod was involved as a steel rod swinging around always does huge damage. Whether it be a faulty engine or an over aggressive tune, no one truly knows without seeing prior data logs or a data logs on that batch of fuel, and or the engine completely apart where each component can be investigated.
I personally feel that once you tune the car you should own up to the whole drivetrain, meaning everything , its simply not the way it left the Factory, therefore Ford should not be responsible. If you get the Ford Racing Tune, I think 1/2 the warranty deal is really fair, but that's just my personal opinion, to each his own on that.

 

[jtmat]

First off, the OP and his Ford dealership committed fraud by lying about the presence of a tune. This is fraud like it or not so don't jump down my throat for telling you to stop advertising that you committed fraud. Had Ford been informed that a tune was present and decided an engine defect was the cause of the failure that would be different. That is not what transpired and Ford paid out 7k because of false statements made by the dealership.

Second, you being a vet has got NOTHING to do with anything so why introduce it into this thread? You are exempt from the law because you are in the military?

And third, you are acting like a kid by not understanding the consequences of your actions.

Usually I can "get" your posts... you are sorta going off the rails with this one.

The "kid" simply took what was provided/available. I seriously doubt anyone would have done anything different. Never seen anyone stump out of a dealer and scream "those jerks were trying to lower my bill by 7 grand!!!!"

Hell, back in the 90s I purchased an "aftermarket" warranty and the dealer said it would cost $1200 for me to fix my car since the warranty did not cover the part (yea 10,000 items covered, but the part in question is never covered). I did not have the money. A friend said take it to his mechanic. Towed it and his mechanic made it work... I paid $50 or so for "paperwork"... the aftermarket warranty paid the rest.

Do I feel bad about that? Not really.... lesson learned on aftermarket warranties.

Relax on this one... let it go.

 

[Maggneto]

Usually I can "get" your posts... you are sorta going off the rails with this one.

The "kid" simply took what was provided/available. I seriously doubt anyone would have done anything different. Never seen anyone stump out of a dealer and scream "those jerks were trying to lower my bill by 7 grand!!!!"

Hell, back in the 90s I purchased an "aftermarket" warranty and the dealer said it would cost $1200 for me to fix my car since the warranty did not cover the part (yea 10,000 items covered, but the part in question is never covered). I did not have the money. A friend said take it to his mechanic. Towed it and his mechanic made it work... I paid $50 or so for "paperwork"... the aftermarket warranty paid the rest.

Do I feel bad about that? Not really.... lesson learned on aftermarket warranties.

Relax on this one... let it go.

You and others are misinterpreting my comments. I am only being critical of the OP for ratting out his dealership friends. I get that he is being honest and I appreciate the information provided by him regarding the circumstances of the failure.

This site is monitored by Ford and it wouldn't take much investigation to identify the dealership involved. Ford.could absolutely demand payment from the dealership now that the owner of the car is singing like a Canary.

My point is this, leave some.details out of the story so you don't get others into trouble, especially details that are unlawful.

The end...

 

[Blyman93]

All I know respectfully to both sides, it does in fact sound a little like lying about what may have actually caused the failure. Didn't see anything about them taking the engine apart.

Would I jump at this chance? Heck yeah! But I would know there's a good chance my mods 86'd my rod. A lot of us would love to have a ford connection though.

Btw, we wouldn't have to mod if they already came 400hp with proper parts ;)

 

[LightningBlue17]

Let's all dial it down a bit. OP provided info to the group, and most appreciate it.

Let's try and keep this forum a place of info sharing, learning about our cars and respect for each other.

Leave the drama to other forums.

 

[Regs]

Ethics is such a deep topic for a modding community forum. Especially in a capitalistic society known for, born and raised for, and taught in taking advantage of every little weakness of others to succeed.

 

[Woodshop77]

We'd mod them anyways.
The blown engine thing is a joke issue because of two things:
1. Ford has their own discretion to fix the problem or not, and they are going to get write offs for whatever they do anyways based on the quantity of cars they have sold. With the quantity they have sold, they are not hurting.
2. The blown motor thing won't have any effect on you until it happens to you. Like most normal people you are going to try to find the lowest cost way to solve the problem if it happens. I live in Cali, and I know a whole bunch about what to do when we have an Earthquake. But it really doesn't matter until one happens.
If you are one of the people trying to find out why this happens to this model good for you. If you want to be conservative with your car because of it...it's your car!!!
For those of you that have running cars, you have nothing to bitch about, do what you think is best to do with your car. I get to give up a trip to Great Britain in order to pay for my engine build and I'm not thrilled but who gives a shit because it's my issue!!!
If you are dealing with sellers, builders or tuners you are going to side with whomever has your money, for the most part, until you are wronged. Research, fix and adapt until your car works for you. I've read a bunch of posts that start out great and I hope have good info and they end like this! I want data from people that have like issues, not speculation..Maybe the moderators for this site should step in and fix the issue. ( If I'm one of the issues for bitching, start with me!)

 

[jtmat]

You and others are misinterpreting my comments. I am only being critical of the OP for ratting out his dealership friends. I get that he is being honest and I appreciate the information provided by him regarding the circumstances of the failure.

This site is monitored by Ford and it wouldn't take much investigation to identify the dealership involved. Ford.could absolutely demand payment from the dealership now that the owner of the car is singing like a Canary.

My point is this, leave some.details out of the story so you don't get others into trouble, especially details that are unlawful.

The end...

We have a dealer doing the right thing by finding the tune did not cause the damage and somehow fraud is being committed? Tune does not mean automatic payment if engine failure happens. Who is the say the dealer did not inspect the issue and come to that determination? PJB does not know what happened behind those bay doors.

[MENTION=30112]PJB[/MENTION] has already said he is not out doing donuts in Walmart parking lot and acting like a general jerk with the car. The guys at his dealer know him... I grew up in a town like he describes... trust me, they would know if he drove his car like an idiot. For me this was a good call by an honest dealer. No more no less.

Please, leave it alone... :(

PJB, appreciate you taking time to explain your story and posting the pics...

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