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lol He doesn't get it that brand loyalty is not a detriment. It shows the ability to decide and commit, without constant wishy-washy flip flopping. Oh well, ignore list now expanded to 5.

Shopping 1/2 dozen dealers doesn't work if only one dealer has the car you want. And if they're not willing to give me a fair deal, I just thank them, leave, and forget about the whole thing altogether. Peace of mind.

Yes, S550's are more than waterproof.

The Vette is too "Chevy", the Stang is more "Fordy". The Stang obviously! :ford:

I sat in a base '18 Stang GT and the cloth seats seemed fine. The leather seats in my Premium '16 GT feel more comfortable, but not to the detriment of the cloth seats.

I stopped modding my Stangs 3 or 4 Mustangs ago. Factory OEM Or Bust! That noted, saying "I have PP1" or "mod x" or "mod z" is largely boasting rights and seldom serves any functional purpose for the vast majority of owners. Obviously, people can still do whatever they want. But that needed to...

So, if I understand your posts correctly ... The only thing you like about it is the license plate bracket. And for that, they'll get buckets of cash. Oh well, to each their own.

All they have to do is stick with a low ball trade-in number if they want to maintain the same profit level. They'll keep you there for hours debating trade values and why your car is not worth what you want. I'd say it rarely works.

The "compromises" make it a NO SALE to many buyers, thereby making it the least desirable car in the $45Kish range. ouch It's not looks, it's the visibility+performance+looks of the car. The Mustang remains alone in providing the total package. I spent months in a new 2010 Camaro, because...

You've made excellent points. But you will never convince the Chevy guy because he's already invested in the brand. Nevertheless, there's a reason why Mustang sales continually exceeds Camaro sales. And here are the reasons why ... (a shortened version of what I posted before)...

I'm with you 100%. I know there's been great advancements over the decades in safety/design, but the disparity on what a Mustang used to cost vs. their income has also changed dramatically. I don't want to hijack this thread, maybe I'll start another one regarding the actual statistics which...

That's simply not the case. Most people get financing that's much more aggressive than what's offered by the dealer, and service/parts profits will not effect their selling cars at a loss. Just won't happen. Those aren't options that dealers would ever consider. I'd have to reaffirm that the...

LOL Most people don't even drive to the next farthest dealer, much less fly out of state to one. If I can't make a deal within a comfortable distance of my residence, I just forget about it. Simple as that.

Ahh, the "what if's". Reality dictates public roads have both straightaways and corners, and that 99.9% of pony car owners never make use of the "corners" even remotely as much as they do short straight stretches of road. Reality. I'm guessing "The Dukes of Hazzard" is your favorite show. ;)...

Virtually every dealer in the country will think someone's crazy if they ask for that much off. Truth is, the vast majority of dealers want to make several thousand on the new car and several thousand on the trade.

Pure track numbers haven't helped the 6th gen Camaro overcome it's "deficiencies", bringing in only 68% of Mustang sales in 2016 and 83% of Mustang sales for 2017. An extremely small number of people track their car, so it looks like that translates into the better overall car being the one...

Love those one word responses. So tell me exactly, where am I wrong? I think even 1% is too generous ...

All this "track" talk is causing people to lose focus. Reality check: Of the 81,866 Mustangs and 67,940 Camaros sold in 2017, how many do you think were tracked? 1% of Stangs would be 818, 1% of Camaros would be 679. I seriously doubt that many. Am I wrong?

Car makes me sick! I'm lactose intolerant ...

That was .01%, not 1%. ;) Well, I didn't say 0%. lol