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What is getting tiring is everybody complaining that the camaro took parts from other vehicles in the GM lineup and then in other posts say I wonder when this component will trickle down to my gt. It is smart business. It brings forth amazing cars at great prices. What the hell is the problem...

The next Z Camaro will definitely have the LT4 supercharged engine. It is already coded into the computers and has been seen many times by performance companies running tests and diagnostics.

This is why I said "roughly". The gen 6 Camaro is not hugely faster around a track than the Gen 5 1LE that we know of. By the progression I have used we should be able to figure out the minimum time around Big Willow for the gen 6 1LE given equal conditions. Again the word used was "roughly"...

Is there a time for a stock gen 5 1le at big willow? If so we can subtract 3 seconds from that and we will roughly have the time of the gen 6 1LE. Then we can compare that to the GT350 and the GT350TP at Big Willow. Does anyone know any times of the 350 at willow? Of course this is all relative...

The 2016 ss is faster than the Gen 5 1le around a road course. This new 1le is 3 seconds faster than the 2016 ss around Big Willow. Therefore this new 1le is a minimum of 3 seconds faster around a road course than the outgoing 1le. I have a feeling that it is going to be very close to if not...

The new 1le looks very impressive. Great job GM. Those wheels on the V8 are amazing! The new v6 1le is the same performance wise around a track as the outgoing v8! Wow. There is no doubt in my mind that the V8 1le is a gt350 competitor for less money.

Agreed. The Mustang is doing exactly what Ford hoped it would. It is gorgeous, fun, and is selling like crazy. I don't think there will be a super rapid refresh like what happened last time. There is nothing wrong with the current one. A lot of people are hoping for a lot of little things to be...

The problem is not the 20 hp. It's the 55 ft-lbs of torque combined with the lighter weight and an 8 speed automatic transmission that when left in full auto mode shifts faster than Porsche's PDK.

This is an excellent testament to the great performance prowess of the gt350. However the M4 is more than just a track car. It is a great investment too. The price of the gts will remain where it is and will be a highly sought after collector car. The purchaser of the gts will make money off of...

There is chatter about making awd M cars though in the near future. Could get interesting.

The M4 is rwd.

Nicely put.

Don't think of it as being old think of it as being above the silliness. ;)

28. Guess I don't get out enough... :D

Ford is a smart company. I'm sure they are doing whatever is best for business.

Maybe the lack of refresh for 2017 means that they are doing something drastic in 2018. The current mustang is selling so well that a new refresh at this point isnt necessarily needed.

Wow. I was way off. I thought maybe it was slang for turned around. Thank you for the clarifications. :D

It goes both ways. I saw tons of Mustangs on the used car lot. This means nothing. There are a lot of reasons this could be. Not practical enough, can't actually afford it, mid life crisis, buys on a spur of the moment wife says hell no... Generally getting rid of a car quickly has nothing to do...

Lol. Some of you are huge pains in the butt! :D

Obviously.