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  1. Turbo 4 Camaro vs V6 Mustang

    I think the biggest disservice that Ford did to the V6 Mustang is not allowing any options on it. If you want to get the updated radio, leather or basically anything you have to step up to the T4 in the Mustang. So the V6 is a true base car in the Mustang. With the T4 Camaro you can load it...
  2. 2015 GT PP 6-speed mt-82 issue no warranty?

    Is it possible to burn a clutch up in 10k miles?? Very much so. Is it likely? Highly especially when the new ones from OEMs are designed to go 150k+ miles. The only iffy part here is the "garage filled with smoke". If it was burning up the clutch and the technician couldn't figure that out that...
  3. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Not to mention already scaled by car and driver. Yet someone keeps refusing that evidence and bringing in his own.
  4. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Taller engine? Making up things AGAIN. Where is the proof? Oh yea, you have zilch. It's a wonder that you can stay on any forum when you blatantly make up so many things.
  5. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Fact. The ATS-V Coupe manual was 3760. Fact. The Camaro is based off ALPHA. If you cant get that simple tiny fact through your head then its over. You are just arguing semantics once again for the sake of arguing. You said the V6 Camaro cant be under 3500 lbs and I show PROOF that it does...
  6. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    And, for the record, the damn GT500 is flatout great. If I didnt daily my cars (yes, even through winter!!!) I'd be searching for one in a few years. It's TOO special to be subjected to that. Unlike many, I love ALL cars. I have another friend that has a Civic hatch with about 400 lbs in...
  7. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Yea, sure wont be bying anything!! :clap2: The funny thing is I have about a 50/50 mix in car guy friends Ford/GM. None act as ignorant as thePill and widely dismiss the others. A new guy showed up with a '15 1LE and he got attention from ALL of the guys there. Why? They actually...
  8. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Hey, its not 3800lbs. Its 3760. Yet.......the deflection still continues. Camaro has been scaled and weighed under 3500lbs. No acknowledgement of that even though thePill said it was impossible. Keep lumping all the Alpha vehicles into one bushel there. They looking nothing alike in...
  9. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Car and Driver's ATS-V coupe manual test. Curb weight: 3760 http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2016-cadillac-ats-v-coupe-test-review-car-and-driver2016-cadillac-ats-v-coupe.pdf I really wish you would actually do a bit of true research and look at what the heck is different in the...
  10. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Wait, why are you changing your tune now? So you agree that a V6 Camaro exists below 3500lbs?? If you had been paying attention GM has said exactly how they did it. They took Alpha and went to work. Remember, it debuted in 2013 with the ATS. They had an extra 3 years to learn and change it...
  11. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    You do realize that the curb weights are actually the lowest trimmed model right???? So no word of failure for Ford for the crazy overweight S550? The V6 Camaro has already been weighed UNDER 3560!!!! It was 3467!! I even gave you the link!
  12. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Pill, you cant pick and choose which numbers you want to believe and which you want to ignore in the SAME EXACT TEST. That is asinine. Which is it? Are all the numbers faked because you used your internet goggles to examine structure pictures and all the sudden you've become a chassis engineer...
  13. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Straws man. Straws. Havent weighted a V6 at 3530?? What does this link show ya? 3467. http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2016-chevrolet-camaro-v-6-manual-test-review-car-and-driver2016camarov-6manual.pdf Wait, are you now talking about the ATS V6? Well, here is a V6 3.6 ATS that came in at...
  14. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Readily available on the SSCA website. The 5th gen that had a CoG tested was the 1LE. Funny you believe the C&D on the CoG numbers but not the curb weights. Its funny that its scaled weight is 3467 with the V6 manual. Thats impossible though right? The curb weight for the 2015 Mustang V6...
  15. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Crazy when people post actual facts!!!!
  16. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Pill, you said you confirmed the CoG changed due to the engine being mounted higher. Prove it. You are spouting baseless hot air. Again, you called them spitting images which it's clear they are not. Camaro is not based on CTS. ATS is not based on Camaro. CTS is not based on ATS. They are all...
  17. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    The ATS, CTS and Camaro are all spitting images of each other. They are all based off Alpha. Don't get into the semantic argument again over identical and similar. Track is easily changed with the different suspension components that Alpha allows you to run. So, the Camaro has a different...
  18. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Camaro is not CTS based. It is Alpha based. However, seeing how you love being pointed out when its wrong, the Camaro is actually closer to the ATS in size than the CTS. Good try chuck. Heavier content? Once again, look at whats available. I've pointed out the seats (ignored), higher quality...
  19. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    Very, very accurate?? In your own little tin foil way, sure. Where the heck is the information about the motor being mounted higher? Yet, you wont answer that because there is no information to be shared. It's okay to say you made it up. Curb weight has already been proven to be...
  20. '16 Camaro Reviews are starting to hit the sites.

    LOL!!! Still harping on about that dyno result? Man, you really hang onto things that make zero sense don't ya? Care to refute any of my claims? Nah, of course not. That would make you actually work to produce factual evidence to back up your claims. All of which come from "sources" that...





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