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The only real problem I see with this is that California already has trouble supplying enough electrical power, adding in tons of battery chargers isn't going to help. All California is really doing when they do things like this is importing more power from out of state, which really only...

Sure, demand will go down, but the capacity the power companies will need to have available probably won't. They'll still need to be able to supply all those people at the times when their own generators and batteries are not supplying themselves, unless they manage to disconnect themselves...

Depends on where you live. I don't see solar ever being cost effective where I live. Electricity is under 3 cents/kw-hr in my county and the neighboring because of hydro. Home solar will probably never break even if you factor in equipment replacement, and grid solar will find it tough to...

My beef is that the only people at risk are unvaccinated, and have already made their own assumption of risk. Why supersede their assumption of risk, when they are the population at risk? I'm not really sure why you think my stance on this means I think I should be making the call to do...

All I've been saying is that those two scenarios are different from the Covid scenario. You can go from healthy to infected and spreading Covid without your knowledge. You can't go from sober to driving drunk without your knowledge. You can't shoot a gun unknowingly. I do think the situations...

I mostly agree with this. You do assume a risk by not being vaccinated, but you do get to make that call. We make that call every day, else we'd all have to drive the safest, and smallest vehicles rather than whatever we want. I'm not sure what you mean by your last sentence.

You still, apparently, aren't reading what I wrote. I have never said it's more acceptable for a Covid person to spread Covid if they don't know they have it. I've said the ability to know you are actively being a risk to others is a crucial difference between the Covid risk mitigation we've...

I think you're not really picking up on what I'm saying, we'll just have to agree to disagree. (answers in bold in the quote)

No, dude, I've been saying the scenarios aren't analogous because in the case of the drunk driver they get to the point of risking others knowingly (they drink alcohol) and the Covid person not so much. That's what I've been saying. I haven't at any point said that a person unknowingly...

And that ridiculous analogy you called flawed isn't. It's how the drunk driver scenario would have to be to be logically analogous to the risk of spreading Covid.

I guarantee that woman knew she was drinking alcohol before she started driving. That's why I've been saying the risk to others from drunk drivers is not analogous to the risk to others from Covid. Before getting in the car the drunk had to drink, I can't imagine a sensible way they could do...

I'm saying you can't go from being sober to driving drunk without knowing along the way that you're drinking. You have to drink to get drunk to drive drunk and put others at risk. That's why it's a poor analogy for the risk mitigations we're taking for Covid. You can go from not infected to...

I think we're saying the same thing but differently here. You can spread COVID without knowing you have it, you can't get to the point of risking others with drunk driving or irresponsible shooting without knowing it along the way. I think you're hung up on the drunk driver as being currently...

I agree they may not be aware No doubt. The point I was trying to make is that we don't generally impose restrictions on people for something they haven't done. We're imposing restrictions on people who may or may not be infected. We don't prevent someone from driving (impose a restriction)...

Same here. I read a story awhile back about a town's police force pulling drivers over to give them positive traffic stops, to tell the driver's they're doing a great job. I would be so mad if I had to stop in the middle of trying to get somewhere for a cop to tell me I did a great job merging.

Let me try and explain my reasoning a different way. My point this whole time has been that these analogies are all about risk mitigations we take against people who are aware that they are doing something. Someone had to be drinking, to get to the stage of driving drunk. Someone has to be...

The second half of my request specifically asks for a risk someone is unaware they could be causing.

Good for WA, bad for other states. Hopefully they'll get that sorted one day. A good bit of detail in the link you provided states that checkpoints need to be clearly marked, and the driver has to have the option of turning around.

The problem with these examples is they're all predicated on a person doing something reckless after an action they have knowingly taken. You can't feasibly drive drunk without knowing you've drunk something, you can't feasibly shoot a gun into the air without knowing you've got a gun in your...

Ha, I know. I've never been stopped by one, and I'm not even sure if they're a thing in WA.