Science is now cancelled? [USERS NOW BANNED FOR POLITICS]

[Gregs24]

Either that, or they actually make money by spreading misinformation.

Quite possibly.

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[Gregs24]

UK starts first vaccine trial, eight weeks into Ebola emergency - BBC News

More life saving vaccine work

Rapid reaction vaccine work.

 

[CrazyHippie]

....and it keeps on coming. COVID was no worse than the flu, according to the #1 expert:

"Former National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) chief Anthony Fauci publicly lied about the coronavirus’s fatality rate, initially telling the public it was 2 to 2.5 percent but privately recording in his diary that it was “more like 0.2-0.3%.”

 

[Nightmonkey]

@CrazyHippie
Don't you have personal and professional opinions on things?
At work, I'm constantly doing things differently because I can't just do whatever I want—I have to act in the company's best interests, and especially because I have to take other people's knowledge and opinions into account.
No one would ever think to accuse me of lying because of that.

This is particularly interesting in this case because Fauci's personal opinion is significantly lower than the official data.
You could say it's a good thing he listened to others on this matter.

If you don't mind, since there's more to read than just a headline and a couple of captions:
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

 

[Gregs24]

....and it keeps on coming. COVID was no worse than the flu, according to the #1 expert:

"Former National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) chief Anthony Fauci publicly lied about the coronavirus’s fatality rate, initially telling the public it was 2 to 2.5 percent but privately recording in his diary that it was “more like 0.2-0.3%.”

Come on try harder!

Initially the death rate from Covid was much higher than later in the pandemic - nothing new here, this has all been PUBLIC knowledge for years if you bothered to look. Why wait until now?

The mortality rate was higher initially as there was no natural immunity, no vaccine immunity and a significant population of vulnerable older people and those with co-morbidities. Once they had died (care homes were especially badly hit) then the rate started to fall. As vaccines arrived and people had been infected multiple times then the rates fell even more. THIS IS ALWAYS the case in an explosive pandemic.

Rates of up to 5% early on soon subsided to below 1% (with the exception of the 'omicron' spike).

Obviously with no widespread testing today there is no data but the disease still exists (and always will) but it is now relatively insignificant if you catch it, unless you are very old or severely ill because the virus has become less pathogenic with mutations.

AGAIN Fauci means nothing here and yet our data corroborates with your data (and also from many other countries).

You keep saying 'it keeps on coming' about stuff we have known for years and is in the public domain - I'm not sure why you find this so exciting or so much of a struggle to understand?

Just consider carefully when the source of your information (Rand Paul) has demonstrated a complete lack of understanding on many medical matters including measles vaccination, and just look at the mess the US is in now with measles having had the disease under control for many years with a vaccination program.

 

[Gregs24]

The difference between the UK Independent Covid Inquiry and the Rand Paul witch hunt against Fauci couldn't be more stark. Remember I am not saying anything about what Fauci said or believes, but the approach is that of a witch hunt, nothing more, nothing less.

Rand Paul wants Fauci in jail, whatever it takes. As if anybody will learn anything about Covid with an approach like that.

I wonder if the US will ever recover from this?

 

[wingnutt]

The difference between the UK Independent Covid Inquiry and the Rand Paul witch hunt against Fauci couldn't be more stark.

ahhhhhhh, THERE it is…knew it would come out sooner or later, after all the blather about being “only for science” but fear not, it only took 10,400+ pages for the mask to slip

I wonder if the US will ever recover from this?

Indeed, and I surely hope one day the UK and all their “critical thinking” will save our poor, feckless souls…better than the last time at least, carry on sir

 

[CrazyHippie]

The difference between the UK Independent Covid Inquiry and the Rand Paul witch hunt against Fauci couldn't be more stark. Remember I am not saying anything about what Fauci said or believes, but the approach is that of a witch hunt, nothing more, nothing less.

Rand Paul wants Fauci in jail, whatever it takes. As if anybody will learn anything about Covid with an approach like that.

I wonder if the US will ever recover from this?

I still remain steadfastly convinced that Fauci is indeed Alfred E. Neuman incarnate!

 

[CrazyHippie]

Vitamin D supplementation for managing COVID-19 in patients with vitamin D deficiency: a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomised controlled trials | BMJ Open

A total of nine studies, comprising 870 participants, were included in the analysis. The pooled results indicated that vitamin D supplementation was associated with a lower risk of mortality (risk ratio 0.76; 95% CI 0.60 to 0.97). However, this apparent benefit was not robust when examined through the leave-one-out method and trial sequential analysis. Regarding other outcomes, there was no statistically significant difference between vitamin D supplementation and no supplementation in terms of 28-day mortality, the need for mechanical ventilation and ICU admission. Vitamin D supplementation was associated with a 0.41 day shorter length of stay in the ICU (mean difference −0.41; 95% CI −1.09 to 0.28) and a 0.07 day shorter length of stay in the hospital (mean difference −0.07; 95% CI −0.61 to 0.46) compared with no supplementation; however, neither difference was statistically significant.


Vitamin D deficiency linked to greater risk of COVID-19 hospitalisation | King's College London

Do vitamin D, zinc, and other supplements help prevent COVID-19 or hasten healing? - Harvard Health

There are so many falsehoods in your AI trawl but just to choose one - simply NOT TRUE that a 'vitamin D level above 50' resulted in no severe disease. Vitamin D is well established with a positive effect on immunity (nothing new) but supplementation did not prevent covid disease from trial data and likewise having a naturally high level from diet did not prevent disease.

That isn't to say that vitamin D deficiency isn't detrimental to your immune function but that was known pre-covid anyway

I agree. A healthy vitamin D level is likely not a causative factor, but more likely indicative of overall better health, thus better outcomes if infected.

 

[Gregs24]

ahhhhhhh, THERE it is…knew it would come out sooner or later, after all the blather about being “only for science” but fear not, it only took 10,400+ pages for the mask to slip



Indeed, and I surely hope one day the UK and all their “critical thinking” will save our poor, feckless souls…better than the last time at least, carry on sir

No idea what the big revelation is, pretty clear the UK inquiry is science lead, Rand Paul is exactly the opposite. One country wants to learn, the other wants to play at politics.....

Remember where the first vaccines came from, the use of dexamethasone as a cheap effective treatment (not Ivermectin ) Plus we recognise our failures unlike some such as a lack of testing early on where countries such as South Korea led the way. We didn't include drinking bleach as a treatment

Another useful link here from early in the pandemic that you probably will not read as it is data and evidence

Variations in COVID strategies: Determinants and lessons | United Nations

We only learn from a thorough review of what worked and what didn't based on EVIDENCE not agenda. Lucky we don't rely on people like you for public health.

 

[Gregs24]

I agree. A healthy vitamin D level is likely not a causative factor, but more likely indicative of overall better health, thus better outcomes if infected.

Yes indeed and also there is a critical factor when it comes to Vitamins and minerals.

Deficiency can cause disease or reduce the efficacy of the immune system. Normal levels maintain that efficacy. Additional levels above that also cause disease and metabolic issues so unless you are correcting a deficiency additional doses not only do not help they can actually cause harm.

So Vitamin D defficiency increases the risk of serious disease with Covid (and other conditions), Normal levels optimise the immune system, extra doses do not improve the immune system they have detrimental effects. Vitamin D is NOT a treatment.

 

[Gregs24]

I still remain steadfastly convinced that Fauci is indeed Alfred E. Neuman incarnate!

That requires evidence backed by data and not hindsight or agenda.

Specific details of where he mislead or deceived are required not just 'I want him in jail because I don't like him or his politics'!

Remember the scientific community (from all different countries) cannot confirm where Covid came from and yet Rand Paul and your current administration know for certain (without giving any real evidence) Now I am not saying it was not a lab leak but what I am saying is if it was then there must be clear evidence and yet this has never been released by the US administration, in fact several parts of the administration do not confirm this. This is where credibility falls apart - the short statements below appear at first glance to be the smoking gun but when you dig deeper they simply are not correct based on clear publicly available evidence and data. What is the point in this sort of stuff other than to attempt to deceive?

These are the 'facts' from the US Covid site and a little more detail on them.


“The virus possesses a biological characteristic that is not found in nature.” False. This is presumably a reference to SARS-CoV-2’s furin cleavage site, or FCS, a short sequence that helps the virus enter cells. Much of the speculation about the coronavirus being lab-generated has stemmed from this site, since no other SARS-related coronavirus is known to have a FCS. But as we’ve explained before, the sites do exist in other, more distant coronaviruses. As a result, while unusual, the FCS is not inherently suspicious.

“It is most certainly found in nature,” Wertheim said.

“Data shows that all COVID-19 cases stem from a single introduction into humans. This runs contrary to previous pandemics where there were multiple spillover events.” Data do not show this. A Science paper published in 2022, which analyzed genomic data from early COVID-19 cases, concluded that there were likely at least two spillovers from animals to humans.

Wertheim, who was a senior author of that paper, said he took “particular umbrage” with this claim because “it was an uphill battle to convince other scientists that not only did multiple introductions occur, but that multiple introductions would be expected.”

“Wuhan is home to China’s foremost SARS research lab, which has a history of conducting gain-of-function research (gene altering and organism supercharging) at inadequate biosafety levels.” Wuhan is home to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which worked on bat coronaviruses and genetically manipulated some of them. But there’s no evidence the WIV worked on any viruses remotely similar enough to have given rise to SARS-CoV-2 (whether the experiments qualified as gain-of-function is also subject to debate).

The intense focus on such issues is in many ways irrelevant, since the scientific literature is “unified” in concluding that the coronavirus “was not subject to manipulation or ‘gain-of-function’ experiments prior to its emergence,” Wertheim said.

The presence of the institute can seem too unlikely to be a coincidence, but as we’ve explained before, Wuhan is a hub for the wildlife trade and is home to some 11 million people. The population density is key, since a spillover in rural China would likely have simply fizzled out, Wertheim said.

Much is often made about the long distance between Wuhan and where SARS-CoV-2’s closest ancestors were identified in bats. But the coronavirus behind the 2002 SARS epidemic, which everyone agrees was a natural spillover, also traveled a similar distance to Guangdong. A paper published in May in Cell, co-authored by Wertheim, documents the similarities between the two cases and implicates travel via the wildlife trade for both.

“Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) researchers were sick with COVID-like symptoms in the fall of 2019, months before COVID-19 was discovered at the wet market.” Rumors of sick WIV workers — with various details shifting over time — have circulated since 2020, as we’ve explained before. But the U.S. Intelligence Community has already said that the information is not relevant to the question of how the pandemic began.

Because “the researchers’ symptoms could have been caused by a number of diseases and some of the symptoms were not consistent with COVID-19,” the 2023 declassified report explains, the IC “continues to assess that this information neither supports nor refutes either hypothesis of the pandemic’s origins.”

“By nearly all measures of science, if there was evidence of a natural origin it would have already surfaced. But it hasn’t.” There is evidence of a natural origin; it’s just not conclusive. The lack of an intermediate animal — which might prove a natural origin, and is presumably what this is referencing — does not mean that the coronavirus must have originated in a lab.

As we have written, the wet market where the first COVID-19 cases were recognized was quickly shut down. While some animal testing occurred early on, it was primarily in species that would not be expected to be the animals that transferred the virus to humans. China has also demonstrated little to no interest in looking any further for an intermediate animal, insisting instead that the virus came from abroad, including from the U.S.

“Evidence of zoonosis has surfaced,” Wertheim said, noting that there is now genetic evidence that animals known to transmit SARS-like viruses were in the same part of the market where the first cases were found, with remnants of SARS-CoV-2 where the animals were kept. “This evidence is exactly what you would expect to find had a zoonotic virus emerged.”

That’s in addition to the epidemiology data, which show the earliest COVID-19 cases cluster around the market, even those without a known connection to the market.

Again, all of this doesn’t formally rule out a lab leak. But it’s incorrect to claim that the lack of an intermediate animal is strong evidence of a lab leak.




Trump Administration Incorrectly Claims Certainty About Origin of Coronavirus - FactCheck.org

 

[Gregs24]

US will lose Measles Elimination status this year. I hope RFK is proud of himself!

Oh and for @Mitch03 and @sk47 (van man) I have already added your puerile likes to this post so that you don't need to bother, because surely even you two cannot find this tragic news funny?

Mitch03 sk47

Edit: Tragically seems one of them did find it funny.

 

[CrazyHippie]

"That requires evidence backed by data and not hindsight or agenda."

It's his ears and smile - an objective observation that's intuitively obvious to the casual observer.

What, me worry?

 

[Gregs24]

RFK continues to embarrass himself - I say that but the guy has no morals so I doubt he even knows what the word means.

In his recent interview (car crash)

Lyme's disease FFS! The disease has been around for thousands of years and was identified in the 1980's and the pathogen identified. There was no 'gain of function' research 5000 years ago!

RSV was discovered in the 1950's again lies from RFK

One minute the US had the highest Covid death rate in the world (it didn't) the next he claims the ICU's were empty because it was no worse than flu.

But all is OK because in the next pandemic the constitution will be the primary defence in the US

I find it astonishing that anybody believes a word that comes out of this man's mouth.

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