Official: 2018 Ford Mustang Refresh Detailed! (Options/Features, Specs, Photos, Info)

[Mazman]

The Camrao still has a torque advantage (420lb vs 445lb), so I'm expecting that in the best case the new GT is on par with a stock SS


Yeah, that really looks off. They should have painted the lower grille, sideskirts and diffusor in gloss black too. Or just Keep the upper grille unpainted.

Did not expect the difference to be that big, as the Mustangs are running 117-119mph on the quarter mile. But indeed does the torque matter.

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[Ace]

Did not expect the difference to be that big, as the Mustangs are running 117-119mph on the quarter mile. But indeed does the torque matter.

Sure, but we still have to find out if you have to be in drag mode to get that good acceleration and if you can reach that with a MT.

 

[Mazman]

Sure, but we still have to find out if you have to be in drag mode to get that good acceleration and if you can reach that with a MT.

Most likely only in drag mode and with A10 only. The speed might be similar though with a manual but the time I don't think so.

 

[Ericc B]

but don’t understand the gloss black upper and grayish black lower grill? WTF?

Check my picture one or two pages back in this topic. Replacing the upper grille with one from Roush fixes this problem and nicely cleans up the jagged front end lines too.

 

[sebounet]

He tries to give some feelings about magneride



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[Ace]

I'm a bit worried what they are doing with the EU model. According to the newst brochures:

• The car gained about 100kg to 1830kg (EU weight always includes 75kg for a diver)
• Besides the horsepower raise (451 from 421) it only gains 5Nm torque (429 from 424)
• Strange MT gearing where you reach vmax in 4th gear

So according to Ford europe the new GT is as fast as the european Camaro SS. But the Mustang GT weights nearly 200kg more and has nearly 100Nm less torque. Sorry, but I don't see how the european GT can be faster in any way than the 15 beside getting rid of the crap tires.

 

[Mazman]

Hi

the NM is at 529NM right?

I don't get it, in the US it will have 420 foot-pound which is like 570NM.
Don't understand why it should have only 529 i Europe. We have even higher octane fuel here.... Is it just the tune for EU-models that are different.

At 200kg more it will not stand a chance against the Camaro I am assuming.

I'm a bit worried what they are doing with the EU model. According to the newst brochures:

• The car gained about 100kg to 1830kg (EU weight always includes 75kg for a diver)
• Besides the horsepower raise (451 from 421) it only gains 5Nm torque (429 from 424)
• Strange MT gearing where you reach vmax in 4th gear

So according to Ford europe the new GT is as fast as the european Camaro SS. But the Mustang GT weights nearly 200kg more and has nearly 100Nm less torque. Sorry, but I don't see how the european GT can be faster in any way than the 15 beside getting rid of the crap tires.

 

[Ace]

Hi

the NM is at 529NM right?

I don't get it, in the US it will have 420 foot-pound which is like 570NM.
Don't understand why it should have only 529 i Europe. We have even higher octane fuel here.... Is it just the tune for EU-models that are different.

At 200kg more it will not stand a chance against the Camaro I am assuming.

I assume it's because of some kind of EU regulation for pollution.

Here are the Torque numbers of the different GTs:
EU 2015 GT: 524Nm
EU 2018 GT: 529Nm
US 2015 GT: 542Nm
US 2018 GT: 569Nm

According to the CZ spec sheet the 18 GT outruns the european SS, but I honestly can't imagine how the car should do that at all.

Does anybody know what is causing the 100kg increase between 15 and 18 GT? Are the new transmissions that heavy?

 

[Mazman]

From the information I have!

weight manual: 1818
weighjt auto: 1831

I am assuming with the options that are as standard in Europe the weight goes up. Not sure how much difference the magneride does in terms of weight if it increases or decreases the weight.

The 40NM that differs between EU and US is pretty substantial and sucks big time. We are running 95/98 octane it really doesn't make sense.

I assume it's because of some kind of EU regulation for pollution.

Here are the Torque numbers of the different GTs:
EU 2015 GT: 524Nm
EU 2018 GT: 529Nm
US 2015 GT: 542Nm
US 2018 GT: 569Nm

According to the CZ spec sheet the 18 GT outruns the european SS, but I honestly can't imagine how the car should do that at all.

Does anybody know what is causing the 100kg increase between 15 and 18 GT? Are the new transmissions that heavy?

 

[Gibbo205]

I'm a bit worried what they are doing with the EU model. According to the newst brochures:

• The car gained about 100kg to 1830kg (EU weight always includes 75kg for a diver)
• Besides the horsepower raise (451 from 421) it only gains 5Nm torque (429 from 424)
• Strange MT gearing where you reach vmax in 4th gear

So according to Ford europe the new GT is as fast as the european Camaro SS. But the Mustang GT weights nearly 200kg more and has nearly 100Nm less torque. Sorry, but I don't see how the european GT can be faster in any way than the 15 beside getting rid of the crap tires.

You are reading far too much into it.

An MY18 manual without driver according to Ford EU weighs in at 1743kg with all fluids and 3/4-full tank of fuel.

EU exports have full trim, active exhaust etc.

For comparison my manual MY15 with corsa exhaust, 1/4 tank fuel, lighter wheels, lighter brakes weighed in at 1708kg.

So if you fit the forged wheels to MY18, lighter brakes, Recaro seats and do a centre resonator delete you will be around 1715kg.

At most MY18 is 20kg heavier, it is nothing to worry about.

 

[Mazman]

The information I got!

The number you are qouting seems to the Ecoboost?

I have seen for different models(not only Ford) that they combine like the lowest consumption from one model, weight from one model, acceleration from another etc to make the car appear better


The one that LMR weighed was
- 3860 lbs (1750kg)
- No Driver
- Full Tank of Gas

That is with the PP1 and 300 package(euromodels come with 401) and safteypack and most likely some other stuff the LMR-car did not have.

So if the qouted 1831kg is with a driver it would be around 1756kg.

The qouted weight of the Camaro is at 1659 with the A8 2SS trim and magnetic ride.

Either way the 2018 is heavy :(, as a comparison the BMW F90 M5 is at 1930KG with a driver. As [MENTION=10422]Ace[/MENTION] is saying in Europe at least it will be very difficult to match the Camaro.

You are reading far too much into it.

An MY18 manual without driver according to Ford EU weighs in at 1743kg with all fluids and 3/4-full tank of fuel.

EU exports have full trim, active exhaust etc.

For comparison my manual MY15 with corsa exhaust, 1/4 tank fuel, lighter wheels, lighter brakes weighed in at 1708kg.

So if you fit the forged wheels to MY18, lighter brakes, Recaro seats and do a centre resonator delete you will be around 1715kg.

At most MY18 is 20kg heavier, it is nothing to worry about.

 

[Gibbo205]

The information I got!

The number you are qouting seems to the Ecoboost?

I have seen for different models(not only Ford) that they combine like the lowest consumption from one model, weight from one model, acceleration from another etc to make the car appear better


The one that LMR weighed was
- 3860 lbs (1750kg)
- No Driver
- Full Tank of Gas

That is with the PP1 and 300 package(euromodels come with 401) and safteypack and most likely some other stuff the LMR-car did not have.

So if the qouted 1831kg is with a driver it would be around 1756kg.

The qouted weight of the Camaro is at 1659 with the A8 2SS trim and magnetic ride.

Either way the 2018 is heavy :(, as a comparison the BMW F90 M5 is at 1930KG with a driver. As [MENTION=10422]Ace[/MENTION] is saying in Europe at least it will be very difficult to match the Camaro.

The MY15 was heavy, I have race scales as I had coilovers on the car, she weighed in at 1708kg, bear in mind that was with forged wheels, corsa exhaust, two-piece lighter brakes etc. If your thinking MY15 was a lot less weight, the export MY15 were not, they were around 1730kg, an equal spec MY18 will be around 1760kg, but of course Recaro, forged wheels, mag ride will help reduce that difference as those options all reduce weight.

An MY18 is around 1750kg, add in the forged wheels, recaro seats and your gonna be reducing that weight.

MY18 spec for spec is no more than 20kg heavier than MY15, as such I re-iterate my point, nothing to worry about.

Is a 1700kg car heavy? DAMN RIGHT, MY15 was 1735kg factory on exports for V8 GT with custom pack.

MY15/MY18 are heavy cars, you want something light, buy a Lotus or a Porsche.

 

[Ericc B]

I think it would make for a more reliable comparison to just compare the US curb weights of the 2015 versus the 2018.

The European rules for determining curb weight are currently changing just as the CO2 emission testing is. So you might end up comparing apples to oranges.

 

[TTown]

Can anyone answer this -- Is the magneride suspension, in base/normal setting, supposed to provide a smoother (more comfortable) ride than a regular GT, or will all magneride settings be more firm/rigid than a regular GT?

 

[GTP]

Can anyone answer this -- Is the magneride suspension, in base/normal setting, supposed to provide a smoother (more comfortable) ride than a regular GT, or will all magneride settings be more firm/rigid than a regular GT?

Another question is will magneride on 2018 GT in Normal mode be a smoother (softer) ride than a 2017 GT350?

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