Gt350 vs Porsche

[spiller]

I 100% believe you about issues with an older rear engine car at the limit on the track. I haven't driven older Porsches. I actually would love to own one, but the prices are too high for me to afford. And the older stuff is slower as well.

The hooked up comment was more about every day driving on the street - and newer Porsches. Maybe the ultra expensive newer Turbo cars can spin the tires on the street, but the Porsches I've driven have been very tame at legal speeds driving like a "normal human being". Are you talking about trailing throttle oversteer in a corner on the track, or having issues getting power to the ground when accelerating from a stop or low speed ~30 mph or so?

And I did decide after driving that GT3 that I will never own a PDK vehicle unless I have no other choice. Might as well be an automatic. You say it's still more engaging than a Mustang - I think the PDK sucks big time as far as driver engagement goes.

If you haven't driven the Mustang on the track yet, you will find it to be an entirely different car on the track.

With a GT3 at the limit I'm largely talking about lift off oversteer. If you experience it at any sort of speed chances are you aren't catching it. But more so than that, the GT3 is very much a momentum car. You have to be absolutely on it the entire time to get the lap time, there is no reliance on torque to get you out of the corner. The feeling of the rear end hanging out on the exit of a corner whilst putting the power down and maintaining forward momentum is pure bliss and entirely unique to a 911. There really is nothing else like it and getting it right is a very rewarding experience. My 2004 996 GT3 would run rings around the 16 GTPP on the track. It's not a slow car. Aircooled is a different story, that's not my thing and I agree with you on that.

I haven't yet had the GTPP on track but looking forward to it. I think it will be a fun car. A GT350R on the track would be a fantastic experience, it's on my list and I envy those that have had the opportunity. One of the last true modern driver's cars at a very reasonable price (without a ridiculous ADM of course).

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[Hack]

With a GT3 at the limit I'm largely talking about lift off oversteer. If you experience it at any sort of speed chances are you aren't catching it. But more so than that, the GT3 is very much a momentum car. You have to be absolutely on it the entire time to get the lap time, there is no reliance on torque to get you out of the corner. The feeling of the rear end hanging out on the exit of a corner whilst putting the power down and maintaining forward momentum is pure bliss and entirely unique to a 911. There really is nothing else like it and getting it right is a very rewarding experience. My 2004 996 GT3 would run rings around the 16 GTPP on the track. It's not a slow car. Aircooled is a different story, that's not my thing and I agree with you on that.

I haven't yet had the GTPP on track but looking forward to it. I think it will be a fun car. A GT350R on the track would be a fantastic experience, it's on my list and I envy those that have had the opportunity. One of the last true modern driver's cars at a very reasonable price (without a ridiculous ADM of course).

I can see where you are coming from. There's definitely a joy in being good at something that isn't easy. I by far prefer the feeling of acceleration over that of maintaining momentum, though. Reading the specs, it seems to me that the 996 GT3 would be fun on the track, but very tame as a daily driver. 284 ft-lbs peak torque at 5,000 rpm isn't entertaining for me on the street. That is the feeling I objected to in the Porsches I have driven - winding them to the moon to wring what little power there is out of that flat 6.

 

[mmm635]

Ha ha! You want to disagree so you say I don't know what I'm talking about! :lol:

I think I was being kind to Porsche in my last post, but I won't take the bait and say everything I think about many Porsches and their owners. Suffice it to say I fit in better with Mustang owners than Porsche owners and I'm happy about that.

on edit: I did enjoy the GT3 that I rented and did laps at a track in. It had good grip and the acceleration was decent as well. Still didn't like the sound that much and it wasn't worth the price. Even used ones are going for ~$150,000. I would pay maybe $45k for that car. Maybe a little less, because the consumables and service are going to be expensive.

Not baiting you at all...just straightforward. I own a GT3RS, GT3, and GT350R. I track my Porsche's and giving you real world experience and not speaking from the standpoint of a hater. I only refer to the GT cars, excluding the GT4.

To me the Track Pack GT350 I owned (7k track miles) was a much better car than the GT4, hence why I got rid of the GT4.

Don't judge people by the cars they own...I have family that have worked on the assembly lines at Ford.

 

[96cobra]

I just want to add, on a cruise yesterday, I had a guy in a Porsche 911 give me the thumbs up in the GT350.. surprised me and I thought it was pretty cool.

 

[Bossing]

A lot of Porsche guys (owners and/or enthusiasts alike) love the GT350.... many want one and/or have added one as well.

Proof: https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r/907030-gt350.html

 

[Hack]

I apologize if I'm coming off as insulting. That wasn't my intent. I have to admit some jealousy toward those that can afford multiple cars worth 6 figures. Well and being told I don't know what I'm talking about doesn't bring out the best in me.

My opinion is that for any car they sell that costs $150,000 or more Porsche should be installing engines like the 4.6 V8 from the 918 rather than an underpowered flat 6. 608 HP is more like what a $150,000 sports car should have. I think with 350 HP or something and the car being a "momentum car" it's just over priced for what you get. That philosophy of over-priced options and very little power just doesn't fly for me. The Porsche name is a great one, but I'm not going to buy a car just for a name.

 

[KiLLeR2001]

Porsche is all about proper balance and raw feel. Sure they could slam 600 HP in there if they wanted to but it isn't just about having the most horsepower, that's the American car game... See: Dodge Demon.

 

[Hack]

Porsche is all about proper balance and raw feel. Sure they could slam 600 HP in there if they wanted to but it isn't just about having the most horsepower, that's the American car game... See: Dodge Demon.

I'm not suggesting they should have the most HP, just that they should have more power than a passenger sedan in their high buck "sporty" car. 600 HP really isn't that much, especially in a high winding NA 4.6 V8. There's no comparison between that and a bigger hammer blown 6.2.

 

[lemers]

The HP Race isn't just a Muscle Car thing. the first spec advertised on all performance cars is HP.

 

[mmm635]

I apologize if I'm coming off as insulting. That wasn't my intent. I have to admit some jealousy toward those that can afford multiple cars worth 6 figures. Well and being told I don't know what I'm talking about doesn't bring out the best in me.

My opinion is that for any car they sell that costs $150,000 or more Porsche should be installing engines like the 4.6 V8 from the 918 rather than an underpowered flat 6. 608 HP is more like what a $150,000 sports car should have. I think with 350 HP or something and the car being a "momentum car" it's just over priced for what you get. That philosophy of over-priced options and very little power just doesn't fly for me. The Porsche name is a great one, but I'm not going to buy a car just for a name.

No worries. All things considered, the GT350 is an awesome car for the money.

I have a feeling you will see a V8 in the next iteration of the 911 now that the engine and tranny have been flipped over 180 degrees (RSR). - more room for motor.

 

[A7X]

No worries. All things considered, the GT350 is an awesome car for the money.

I have a feeling you will see a V8 in the next iteration of the 911 now that the engine and tranny have been flipped over 180 degrees (RSR). - more room for motor.

That would be amazing - say a 4.0 L V-8 or something!

 

[Zombo]

A lot of Porsche guys (owners and/or enthusiasts alike) love the GT350.... many want one and/or have added one as well.

Proof: https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r/907030-gt350.html

Wow, 165 pages of Porsche folks discussing the GT350...

 

[Bossing]

Wow, 165 pages of Porsche folks discussing the GT350...

Yup. Like I said, many Porsche guys love the GT350 and what it brings to the table... and I personally witness this kind of 'admiration-phenomenon' monthly at the tracks in FL from Porsche folks who don't even care to visit the online forums. From many Porsche owners' ages as well... young ones to veteran track rats well into their 60's and 70's who still hit the circuits for fun.

Porsches and Shelbys get along more often than not... two different types of cars and both are fun & fast. Here's some of us appreciating each other's rides... :cheers:

 

[Zombo]

Mine might only be a 986, but I appreciate them all - I was even admiring some Camaros at a car show this weekend. I liked the way their strut towers were cast, with stiffening ribs, not just formed sheet metal. However, the folks I spoke with said Chevy is having major problems with their differentials, with the independent suspension.

 

[Hack]

No worries. All things considered, the GT350 is an awesome car for the money.

I have a feeling you will see a V8 in the next iteration of the 911 now that the engine and tranny have been flipped over 180 degrees (RSR). - more room for motor.

How awesome would that be!

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