ford performance new thottle body...

[arigr]

the million dollar question...

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[sirben711]

ehhhhh

I think $500 would be a better price. But at least I have a backup now

 

[arigr]

ehhhhh

I think $500 would be a better price. But at least I have a backup now

well i guess there's that... heh
we need a new guinea pig...
i mean researcher...

 

[sirben711]

After having it for almost a week I would like to revise one of my statements. I said that the car feels like it bogs down less in the higher gears. I need to take that statement back. Its made no difference.

The induction sound is different but I cant explain how.
Feels like it pulls slightly more.
Feels like it builds power more smoothly.
Slightly better throttle response.

 

[Buldawg76]

It does increase the available air flow into the engine so all your above observation should be accurate, just by how much is only measurable with a dyno with before and after testing results.

BD

 

[Vicr]

"Feels like" may equal the placebo effect. Should have dyno'd before and now after.

 

[arigr]

if its that easy of a bolt-on, bolt it off and try to see what the heck the differences are... just my opinion... heck i imagine some of us here might contribute to your purchase if it saves us some money or maybe you make some some points with ford performance if we all buy it lol

 

[metroplex]

The reason the 15-17 TB won't work on 18-up is that Ford switched to a digital throttle body motor controller for the 18-up Mustangs. The 19-up Ranger also shares the same TB and those went digital. The 15-17 is shared with Fusion Sport and I believe Focus RS and those are all analog.

 

[robvas]

Any dyno results? Almost nothing to be had, HP wise, putting a bigger TB on (at least with the stock turbo and stock intake manifold) Compressed air won't care if it's going through 65mm or 70mm

 

[metroplex]

I believe in theory the only time a bigger TB would help is with a N/A engine (to a certain extent) or a pull-through forced induction setup like a Roots/Whipple blower assuming no other restrictions. The K&N style filters are only worth like a max 0.9 psi restriction which isn't much. Barometric pressure fluctuations would nearly cover that.

 

[metroplex]

I had installed the FRPP 70mm on my 2.7 about 2 years ago and then took it off in the fall when I was about to sell the car. So I re-installed it again.

Tip-in throttle response is much better than stock, but I owe that to the larger throttle blade so it acts as if you increased your throttle pedal rate (kind of like Ford's factory accelerator pedal position in sport mode vs normal drive mode).

At WOT, I didn't notice any difference. It's not worse than stock. I just don't feel it is worth the bang for the buck. I re-installed it because otherwise it'd be sitting in a corner of my closet. Same goes for my Turbosmart plumb-back diverter valve.

I looked at my notes and measurements. Stock is 63mm inlet, 61.4 mm outlet, and about 60.8mm in the central section. The FRPP 70mm is 70mm inlet, 65mm outlet (matches the intake manifold opening). 15-17 would use analog throttle body motors (Edge Sport, Fusion Sport, EcoBoost Mustang pre-2018). The newer Mustangs (18-up), Rangers, Edge ST, and Explorer ST would have the same "DigitalOutput" markings on the same throttle body motor so that is why you'd need the newer FRPP 70mm TB on newer EcoBoost Mustangs.

 

[Vicr]

It does increase the available air flow into the engine so all your above observation should be accurate, just by how much is only measurable with a dyno with before and after testing results.

BD

Agreed, and butt dyno's don't count.

 

[metroplex]

Agreed, and butt dyno's don't count.

I did a lot of datalogging the summer I installed the FRPP 70mm TB and from what I recall at WOT, the max air mass didn't change and there was no sizable impact on boost (not that I was expecting any).

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