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@BARTON INDUSTRIES,

Is the new flatstick cartridge w/ push for reverse compatible with the older barton shifter for the 2015+ ?

IF so how does the echange process work?

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For those of us not as familiar, what are the pro's and con's of mounting to the frame vs the trans?
 

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For those of us not as familiar, what are the pro's and con's of mounting to the frame vs the trans?

The video explains it well. In a nutshell, the shifter being mounted to the transmission means that the shifter will move with the trans (independent of the body)when the engine in under load, meaning that when you shift you shouldn't miss a gear since the shifter and trans are mounted as one and in line with each other.

Theoretically, its possible to miss a gear if the shifter is mounted to the body and the trans and shifter are moving out of line with each other (hard acceleration). I have not experienced this myself with the barton mounted to the body, although I don't drag race my car.
 

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After watching the video, I'm not clear about the mount between the top of the shifter and the top of the trans. Is that used for the body mount option? Because if it is, I still don't see how torquing of the transmission doesn't bind up that mount. Yeah the shaft can rotate in the shifter but that top mount won't let the shifter twist in relation to the transmission. Now if the top mount isn't used, then I understand. Although even then it doesn't seem to allow any angular side to side motion. The hinges take care or up and down, but what about side to side? There is so much slop in the factory linkage, you could bend the car in half and not bind up. LoL. Since I prefer transmission mounted, I'm just interested in an academic way.
 

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After watching the video, I'm not clear about the mount between the top of the shifter and the top of the trans. Is that used for the body mount option? Because if it is, I still don't see how torquing of the transmission doesn't bind up that mount. Yeah the shaft can rotate in the shifter but that top mount won't let the shifter twist in relation to the transmission. Now if the top mount isn't used, then I understand. Although even then it doesn't seem to allow any angular side to side motion. The hinges take care or up and down, but what about side to side? There is so much slop in the factory linkage, you could bend the car in half and not bind up. LoL. Since I prefer transmission mounted, I'm just interested in an academic way.
@HoosierDaddy , If I understand you correctly, your referring to the bracket that mounts to the shifter body at the very rear which bolts UP to the body. If that's in place you will not use the the trans mount. Vice a versa, if you use the trans mounting bracket, you will not use the body mount bracket at the rear which mounts to the body. Using both I imagine would bind up the shifter since the shifter can only mounted one way or the other. (Body vs Trans) I hope that helps.

One thing I can attest to with the original Barton shifter is how the linkage is no longer sloppy in feel any more. The Barton shifter really makes everything more rigid. I currently have mine mounted to the body. I didn't want any excessive NVH or vibration from the hard mount, which I imagine can not be helped if it's trans mounted.
 

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Here is a great video from Yolo about this system with the frame mount and how short the through is.

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After watching the video, I'm not clear about the mount between the top of the shifter and the top of the trans. Is that used for the body mount option? Because if it is, I still don't see how torquing of the transmission doesn't bind up that mount. Yeah the shaft can rotate in the shifter but that top mount won't let the shifter twist in relation to the transmission. Now if the top mount isn't used, then I understand. Although even then it doesn't seem to allow any angular side to side motion. The hinges take care or up and down, but what about side to side? There is so much slop in the factory linkage, you could bend the car in half and not bind up. LoL. Since I prefer transmission mounted, I'm just interested in an academic way.
Our rear bracket that attaches to the car has polyurethane bushings in it allowing for the movement needed. They are firm enough that you are not going to deflect the shifter while shifting but soft enough that the shifter still can go where it needs to with the trans. The bolt that goes through the linkage allows for the left to right movement of the linkage, it acts as a pivot in itself.

What I was trying to get across in the video is that weather you are mounted to the trans or to the body, the trans is still going to torque causing the shifter gates to not be exactly where you think they might be.. Regardless of which mount you go with. After watching the video it comes across like im saying that the body mount is the only one that does that. I may remake the portion of the video where Im talking about the trans mount vs body mount tomorrow.

There is not really a huge benefit of trans mount over the body mount, other than the solid linkage. Because in both instances the shifter lever and shifter will rotate with the trans. The body mount does however dampen the vibration. With both mounts its a matter of getting to know your car.
Hope this helps and I will try to show in another video exactly what I mean. Its soooo hard for me to speak on video, as soon as I go to speak its like my brain walks away from my body. Im half tempted to make an outtake video so you can see how many times I really mess up. :lol:The guys here laugh at me the whole time.
 

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Our rear bracket that attaches to the car has polyurethane bushings in it allowing for the movement needed.
I was talking about the piece that had to be unbolted in the video to show how the shifter can rotate around the shaft. It connects the front of the shifter body to the top back of the transmission. That's what I'm asking: does that piece get used for the body mount method. And if so, why doesn't it prevent the shifter rotating around the shaft. I mean the video goes to the trouble of showing how the shifter can rotate around the shaft if the transmission twisted in relation to the shifter when body mounted. I'm guessing the part I'm asking about just isn't used for the body mount. Otherwise, I don't understand how that part would NOT prevent the shifter from rotating around the shaft if needed due to the transmission twisting.
 

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I was talking about the piece that had to be unbolted in the video to show how the shifter can rotate around the shaft. It connects the front of the shifter body to the top back of the transmission. That's what I'm asking: does that piece get used for the body mount method. And if so, why doesn't it prevent the shifter rotating around the shaft. I mean the video goes to the trouble of showing how the shifter can rotate around the shaft if the transmission twisted in relation to the shifter when body mounted. I'm guessing the part I'm asking about just isn't used for the body mount. Otherwise, I don't understand how that part would NOT prevent the shifter from rotating around the shaft if needed due to the transmission twisting.
The front Arm that bolts between the 2 ears on the transmission, is bolted in place regardless of what mount you use. Im not really sure what you are asking. The shifter bolting to the trans or body still has no effect on the linkage that is bolted to a whole separate point on the trans and is free to move any where it needs.
 

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The front Arm that bolts between the 2 ears on the transmission, is bolted in place regardless of what mount you use. Im not really sure what you are asking. The shifter bolting to the trans or body still has no effect on the linkage that is bolted to a whole separate point on the trans and is free to move any where it needs.
He thinks the front arm mount will cause issues with the angular alignment of the shifter. As to his understanding of the underlying mechanics or his explanation of such, I cannot speak to. I believe the answer is in the results. Either it misses shifts or it doesn't. I believe the point is that in real world testing, it offers the best shifting without mounting directly to the trans; essentially.
 

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The front Arm that bolts between the 2 ears on the transmission, is bolted in place regardless of what mount you use. Im not really sure what you are asking. The shifter bolting to the trans or body still has no effect on the linkage that is bolted to a whole separate point on the trans and is free to move any where it needs.
The way it looks to me, when having it body mounted you gain up and down and front to back freedom, but you are still restrained when rotating about the north-south axis (torquing), as you are when trans mounted.
 

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The way it looks to me, when having it body mounted you gain up and down and front to back freedom, but you are still restrained when rotating about the north-south axis (torquing), as you are when trans mounted.
That was my impression if that piece between the top of the trans and the shifter was used. The system allows a lot of up and down movement linearly or angular but doesn't seem to allow much if any side to side or rotational movement. Maybe the transmission can only move up and down in relation to the body but I always had the impression the transmission could rotate in relation as well. Have no idea about side to side.

As I said, I'm only interested academically because I would mount it to the transmission rather than the body if I had this shifter.
 

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The way it looks to me, when having it body mounted you gain up and down and front to back freedom, but you are still restrained when rotating about the north-south axis (torquing), as you are when trans mounted.
That's sounds about right to me.
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