Livernois 412whp/452 wtq on stock turbo 93 pump

Glenn G · May 19, 2017

Came across this today

http://www.fordnxt.com/project-cars...ompletes-the-power-package-on-our-15-mustang/

That seems awfully high on the stock turbo on pump 93, really impressive honestly. Thoughts?

jbailer · May 19, 2017

Not really sure I'm buying it. I've seen other write-ups of their progress along the way and some of the other parts they've used like the JMS pedal and boost max lol. According to the article, they're getting over 400 whp on 93 with just an exhaust, thermostat and tune. I've gotta call BS on that or LMS would be advertising that. That's way above what LMS advertises.

Maggneto · May 19, 2017

I think Livernois doesn't need to blame Ford engine defects for its failures because they know what they are doing. I have no reason to doubt what they are saying is true.

“Quite literally investing well over two years since our 2.3 program began. These are incredibly complex vehicles to tune properly, even with our prior unparalleled experience in the EcoBoost arena, and which is the main reason why we have our own development mules to do this perfecting on as opposed to using customer vehicles for development,” he proclaimed

jbailer · May 19, 2017

Maggneto said:
I think Livernois doesn't need to blame Ford engine defects for its failures because they know what they are doing. I have no reason to doubt what they are saying is true.

“Quite literally investing well over two years since our 2.3 program began. These are incredibly complex vehicles to tune properly, even with our prior unparalleled experience in the EcoBoost arena, and which is the main reason why we have our own development mules to do this perfecting on as opposed to using customer vehicles for development,” he proclaimed

What I'm saying is that LMS isn't saying that. Look at their numbers they offer with a kit like that, it's substantially less power. Those are the same guys (not Livernois) that were claiming huge power gains with the JMS boost and pedal max devices...

ForYourOwnGood · May 19, 2017

Looks like a very generous mustang dyno to me, since I haven't seen any stock ecoboosts pushing 275whp like theirs is either.

Phil@JDM · May 19, 2017

bogus :thumbdown:

TEXAS HEAT · May 19, 2017

Well, it says in the article it is their 93 race tune, but 400+ to the wheels seems inflated. Perhaps [MENTION=11090]Livernois Motorsports[/MENTION] can chime in on this?

Glenn G · May 19, 2017

Yeah going back through their build stories it they claimed 7 hp and 42ft/lbs peak from the bov alone! They said they are pushing 27psi on the stock turbo. sounds suspect.

ForYourOwnGood said:
Looks like a very generous mustang dyno to me, since I haven't seen any stock ecoboosts pushing 275whp like theirs is either.

MT got 279/295 out of one in 2014
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2015/2015-ford-mustang-ecoboost-23-first-test/
hp seems high while tq seems on the lower end of what base cars are putting out which is weird.

TEXAS HEAT said:
Well, it says in the article it is their 93 race tune, but 400+ to the wheels seems inflated. Perhaps @Livernois Motorsports can chime in on this?

I certainly hope so, that was my primary motivation posting this thread.

Livernois Motorsports · May 19, 2017

TEXAS HEAT said:
Well, it says in the article it is their 93 race tune, but 400+ to the wheels seems inflated. Perhaps [MENTION=11090]Livernois Motorsports[/MENTION] can chime in on this?

While these are our products and we are quoted in this article, all findings are sources of an independent company and are not influenced by us in any way shape or form. While we appreciate the article, none of these findings were produced at our facility, hence the numbers advertised on our website.

K-Roll302 · May 19, 2017

This is what I attained with the Stage 3v7 93 tune, and an intercooler as my only mods at the time. With all the mods in my sig now, I've no idea what I'm making. I have their 93 (Xv1) race tune as well, but I've never used or even dyno'ed it. But I was told that tune is at it's best with race gas and at it's peak with 93 and 100+ octane in the tank. When and if I try the race tune, I'll gladly post a dyno sheet.

I saw on a Facebook Mustang EB page that with the same tune on 93 (but unsure of the mods) that 400whp/400wt was possible on 93 with dyno chart proof, but I thought that was pushing it a bit much. If I can find a picture of it I will.

That being said, I love my Livernois tune.

5.0yote · May 19, 2017

K-Roll302 said:
This is what I attained with the Stage 3v7 93 tune, and an intercooler as my only mods at the time. With all the mods in my sig now, I've no idea what I'm making. I have their 93 (Xv1) race tune as well, but I've never used or even dyno'ed it. But I was told that tune is at it's best with race gas and at it's peak with 93 and 100+ octane in the tank. When and if I try the race tune, I'll gladly post a dyno sheet.

I saw on a Facebook Mustang EB page that with the same tune on 93 (but unsure of the mods) that 400whp/400wt was possible on 93 with dyno chart proof, but I thought that was pushing it a bit much. If I can find a picture of it I will.

That being said, I love my Livernois tune.

That's really close to what I got on my setup right now without the WMI running around 327WHP 368WTQ both our numbers are pretty respectable for the mods.. Adam stated he was getting around 400 on his stock turbo, but he did not state if that was on pump gas, meth, or E30.

TEXAS HEAT · May 19, 2017

Livernois Motorsports said:
While these are our products and we are quoted in this article, all findings are sources of an independent company and are not influenced by us in any way shape or form. While we appreciate the article, none of these findings were produced at our facility, hence the numbers advertised on our website.

[MENTION=11090]Livernois Motorsports[/MENTION] Thank you for the reply, do you mind informing us specifically what is required to run your XV1 Race Gas tune? I believe there is some confusion on whether you can run a mixture of 93 and 100 octane race gas, but I have yet to see any specifics on mixture ratios and what overall octane is needed to support that tune...

5.0yote · May 19, 2017

K-Roll302 said:
This is what I attained with the Stage 3v7 93 tune, and an intercooler as my only mods at the time. With all the mods in my sig now, I've no idea what I'm making. I have their 93 (Xv1) race tune as well, but I've never used or even dyno'ed it. But I was told that tune is at it's best with race gas and at it's peak with 93 and 100+ octane in the tank. When and if I try the race tune, I'll gladly post a dyno sheet.

I saw on a Facebook Mustang EB page that with the same tune on 93 (but unsure of the mods) that 400whp/400wt was possible on 93 with dyno chart proof, but I thought that was pushing it a bit much. If I can find a picture of it I will.

That being said, I love my Livernois tune.

That's really close to what I got on my setup right now without the WMI running around 327WHP 368WTQ. Adam stated he was getting around 400 on his stock turbo, but he did not state if that was on pump gas, meth, or E30.

K-Roll302 · May 19, 2017

I think it's possible to hit 400whp on pump gas; whether or not it's efficient or safe is another very important question. I can see it done on WMI, E30 or race gas no problems asked. But I would think 400whp on 93 would be a bit much or even unsafe with supporting mods; at least I wouldn't do it.

As for the 93+100 octane question, LMS told me at least a few gallons, but the more the merrier. It's unleaded gas so it's not gonna hurt anything but your wallet. It's $8/gal near my house! But it sure is convenient having LMS less than 30 minutes from my house!

TEXAS HEAT · May 19, 2017

K-Roll302 said:
I think it's possible to hit 400whp on pump gas; whether or not it's efficient or safe is another very important question. I can see it done on WMI, E30 or race gas no problems asked. But I would think 400whp on 93 would be a bit much or even unsafe with supporting mods; at least I wouldn't do it.

As for the 93+100 octane question, LMS told me at least a few gallons, but the more the merrier. It's unleaded gas so it's not gonna hurt anything but your wallet. It's $8/gal near my house! But it sure is convenient having LMS less than 30 minutes from my house!

A few gallons is somewhat subjective, especially when you're trying to hit a specific octane target. Did they specify which type of race fuel? Some are oxygenated and others are not, which can drastically change fueling strategies/needs/requirements. A few gallons to a full tank, 1/2 and 1/2, a few gallons to 1/2 a tank, which is it? I think this needs to be pretty specific because the tune I'm sure was calibrated specifically around a specific ratio. The more the merrier approach seems half assed IMO.

Livernois 412whp/452 wtq on stock turbo 93 pump

Glenn G

Well-Known Member

jbailer

Well-Known Member

Maggneto

Well-Known Member

jbailer

Well-Known Member

ForYourOwnGood

Well-Known Member

Phil@JDM

Well-Known Member

TEXAS HEAT

Well-Known Member

Glenn G

Well-Known Member

Livernois Motorsports

Well-Known Member

K-Roll302

Well-Known Member

5.0yote

AKA Bananana & 3.7Cyclone

TEXAS HEAT

Well-Known Member

5.0yote

AKA Bananana & 3.7Cyclone

K-Roll302

Well-Known Member

TEXAS HEAT

Well-Known Member