Your thoughts on IRS

[Dr. Norts]

NO FACTORY rear end GEAR SIZE OR DESIGNED, WAS MADE for HP or Torque..
...dude...

A Stk 9" is SUCH A WEAK phookin mess,

that Anyone w/300hp+, IN A 4SPEED TOP LOADER CAR, weighing over ~3800lbs..
W/OR W/O drag radial tires.
Can pull the pinion support right out the front on any surface better than street asphalt.. aka, drag strip.

So that dog wont hunt. Clearly the POINT OF rear end design & the arguments the physics majors hav made for yrs bout diff rear differentials, was all wasted typing..

Trying to teach REAL WORLD VS what ur physics calcs tell all yhe key board jockeys who have never built 1 world championship race vehicle.
Much less. So gawd dahhm many .. a guy looses count of. That ur tellin him his post is a mess.
This bery typical , ungrateful, and always right generation of forum jockeys.
Who were working on English minors, while real technology developers were..

Were in the shop. Not on a puter...
GETTIN IT DONE... Cats like;
Smokey...
Remington..
The Garr..
Ak Miller..
Mad Dog.. 10 Wrld champ'ships, built last car of his 10.. won 1st 7 of 11, NHRA Events.
Widmer...Ford Pwr Gawd/colleague
Buterra..
Hume..
Sarti..
Swindal..
Long, don..
Nichoson..
'Willie' Jenkins...
Ronnie & Buddy..
Leal...
Lunn..
Eicke- both now dead brothers
Maropolous...bill
Brock...
Tone..(Christian)..
David & Buddy..
Iaconio...
Ron Butler...
Kenny M.
Sperling..ken
Kaase..
Stange..
Mark..
Lamb..
Leonard Abbott..
Liberty..Joe & Craig..
Leonard Long & Mike..
Rells...
Ness...
Hajek..
Dishbein..
Moore..
Ed Weidamann...
& 100+ more, Real players.. Who got real results w/o silly livin in world of comments like, "its not a rear end made for pwr?? "
We ran what we had available. Most programs didnt hav big budgets. Thats Hollywood bullchit. Not reality..

None of the strong diff's are OEMS!

Does it stop guys from runnin low 7s on 8.8s? Not even Supers... Nope.. so ur point is beyond nonsense.

Racers use whats avail. Not in dream land.
Nothing we used from the factory in 5+Decades, was made for hi-hp tostart with
Certainly not a stock 9" Ford.

Sheesh.
Why do we even try to pass along info people??

Who will never be exposed to real technology 3 lifetimes.???
Unless they read it on the web.

Or a text book author, who never won a world championship....

( if u dont know 20% of who these guys R , above??
U hav No real idea who the players are & are not, have been the last several decades. & my list us extremely short on the reality of all the real developers of what u all take for granted by reading on wikis and websites.
So unless u saw/heard there names in a fictional Hollywood twisted plotline, or some neflux documentary..)

So.. at over 30+yrs and 65,000+ hrs.
Im not in bad company from above.
As only myself & Phil on that list can lay vlaim to holding records in OEM wind tunnels on racecars.

So yeah. Delete my mess and move on..

& take the physics expers w/ya.
Show of hand here?
How many got Over 10x world championship builds under there belts here?
Or not just wind tunnel exp. But actually set and held records in 1?
Cuz unless u hav REALLY LIVED IT AND DONE IT.
A that keyboard cowboy expertise, means less than nuthin...

Don't get offended but you type like a teenage girl.

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[TeeLew]

Cuz unless u hav REALLY LIVED IT AND DONE IT.
A that keyboard cowboy expertise, means less than nuthin...

1. I was complimenting you, not criticizing.

2. Power consumption (transmission loss) is a major concern for both OEM and racing gearboxes.

3. I can match you stride for fucking stride on racing experience, I just keep it to myself. Keep your dick in your pants, Cupcake.

 

[Blithe16]

Don't get offended but you type like a teenage girl.

I thought he typed more like an apocalyptic preacher warning of the world's end.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

But I said “with all due respect “ before I said you type like a little girl.

 

[Norm Peterson]

NO FACTORY rear end GEAR SIZE OR DESIGNED, WAS MADE for HP or Torque..
...dude...

No argument there . . . but today's emphasis on efficiency is stronger than it was back when you only had a thousand hours of shop time under your belt. Of over-riding importance in most cases.

No amount of success with building axle/differentials up to survive the sort of power levels you keep referring to can change that. It just is what it is.

Whether you or anybody else can strengthen a Super 8.8 or any other axle assembly to the levels you're accustomed to reaching is irrelevant to this discussion.


Norm

 

[WildHorse]

It's almost exactly the same. I'm sure there are subtle differences, but the geometry appears to be identical.

Not even close. #1, no way in heck the 03-04 can handle todays horsepower levels or g-loads.

And for the others who say it veers left/right on a hard launch.. really ? I never noticed anything like that. Straight as an arrow unless there's ruts on the road. Then all bets are off , but that goes for solid axle too haha.

 

[Norm Peterson]

It's almost exactly the same. I'm sure there are subtle differences, but the geometry appears to be identical.

I'm afraid that the differences are bigger than 'subtle'. The Cobra IRS was a relatively traditional short-long arm affair, while the current integral link arrangement trades the short upper arm for a short upper link and an integral link (I think to isolate things like caster and side view geometry changes from suspension travel). I may have an integral link discussion document somewhere.

I just pulled a discussion on the Cobra's IRS but haven't been through it (it's 33 pages long as pasted into Word with minimal page margins). I do know that at one point I had a 3-D mathematical model of this particular suspension.


Norm

 

[WildHorse]

on the Cobra's IRS

It was a mixed bag of Thunderbird/ Cougar / Mark VIII IRS parts. The only truly unique part was the cobras rear subframe that bolted to the sn95 rear axle hard points. All in all, it sucked.

 

[TeeLew]

I've got an '01 rear assembly in storage that I had plans to put under a Fox chassis. It's been a while since I looked at it, but I thought it appeared similar to the present lash up.

After googling some pics, though, you guys are right. It's quite a bit different.

 

[JUNQDAWG]

NO FACTORY rear end GEAR SIZE OR DESIGNED, WAS MADE for HP or Torque..
...dude...

A Stk 9" is SUCH A WEAK phookin mess,

that Anyone w/300hp+, IN A 4SPEED TOP LOADER CAR, weighing over ~3800lbs..
W/OR W/O drag radial tires.
Can pull the pinion support right out the front on any surface better than street asphalt.. aka, drag strip.

So that dog wont hunt. Clearly the POINT OF rear end design & the arguments the physics majors hav made for yrs bout diff rear differentials, was all wasted typing..

Trying to teach REAL WORLD VS what ur physics calcs tell all yhe key board jockeys who have never built 1 world championship race vehicle.
Much less. So gawd dahhm many .. a guy looses count of. That ur tellin him his post is a mess.
This bery typical , ungrateful, and always right generation of forum jockeys.
Who were working on English minors, while real technology developers were..

Were in the shop. Not on a puter...
GETTIN IT DONE... Cats like;
Smokey...
Remington..
The Garr..
Ak Miller..
Mad Dog.. 10 Wrld champ'ships, built last car of his 10.. won 1st 7 of 11, NHRA Events.
Widmer...Ford Pwr Gawd/colleague
Buterra..
Hume..
Sarti..
Swindal..
Long, don..
Nichoson..
'Willie' Jenkins...
Ronnie & Buddy..
Leal...
Lunn..
Eicke- both now dead brothers
Maropolous...bill
Brock...
Tone..(Christian)..
David & Buddy..
Iaconio...
Ron Butler...
Kenny M.
Sperling..ken
Kaase..
Stange..
Mark..
Lamb..
Leonard Abbott..
Liberty..Joe & Craig..
Leonard Long & Mike..
Rells...
Ness...
Hajek..
Dishbein..
Moore..
Ed Weidamann...
& 100+ more, Real players.. Who got real results w/o silly livin in world of comments like, "its not a rear end made for pwr?? "
We ran what we had available. Most programs didnt hav big budgets. Thats Hollywood bullchit. Not reality..

None of the strong diff's are OEMS!

Does it stop guys from runnin low 7s on 8.8s? Not even Supers... Nope.. so ur point is beyond nonsense.

Racers use whats avail. Not in dream land.
Nothing we used from the factory in 5+Decades, was made for hi-hp tostart with
Certainly not a stock 9" Ford.

Sheesh.
Why do we even try to pass along info people??

Who will never be exposed to real technology 3 lifetimes.???
Unless they read it on the web.

Or a text book author, who never won a world championship....

( if u dont know 20% of who these guys R , above??
U hav No real idea who the players are & are not, have been the last several decades. & my list us extremely short on the reality of all the real developers of what u all take for granted by reading on wikis and websites.
So unless u saw/heard there names in a fictional Hollywood twisted plotline, or some neflux documentary..)

So.. at over 30+yrs and 65,000+ hrs.
Im not in bad company from above.
As only myself & Phil on that list can lay vlaim to holding records in OEM wind tunnels on racecars.

So yeah. Delete my mess and move on..

& take the physics expers w/ya.
Show of hand here?
How many got Over 10x world championship builds under there belts here?
Or not just wind tunnel exp. But actually set and held records in 1?
Cuz unless u hav REALLY LIVED IT AND DONE IT.
A that keyboard cowboy expertise, means less than nuthin...

"Beam Me Up Scotty " And HURRY !! These folks be Scaring Me . They TOO INTELLIGENT FOR US TO MESS WITH > They done figured out "WARP DRIVE" with Sumthin Called MUSTANG "

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