Would YOU spend $80,000.00 on a Shelby with FORD stock crashing?

[rb336]

Wall Street knows next to nothing when it comes to long-term viability or profitability. This is why contrarian investors usually out-perform the market, especially long term. Their only concern is the quarterly report, and Ford's quarterly drops in profits were largely due to issues beyond their control - such as a supplier fire that halted production on the F series, their most profitable product, and Trump's tariffs, which have cut into the profitability of their Chinese operations. Europe is troubling, but it that way for everyone in that market.

Stock market is a bunch of investors' opinions on a company.

Tesla is at $305/share. They ziptie parts (which should not be ziptie'd) as part of their assembly. https://imgur.com/a/ss5fE
Tesla has also never turned a profit. They aren't a good business. They present intriguing ideas, but ultimately their engineering/product isn't up to par.

But alas, "investors" value Tesla more than Ford and more than most other OEMs. It doesn't correlate to jack shit. Don't take stock price as an indicator of a company's ability.

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[JimsFury]

This really pisses me off. Haven't owned a Ford in years, now that I want a 2019 Shelby the stock is getting Killed by Wall Street.

In 3 years the stock has gone from $18.00 share to $9.00

A 50% loss, what a joke.

Today Ford Motor Co. had its rating cut to 1 Level above JUNK status.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-junk-as-moody-s-warns-of-restructuring-risks

Ford Teeters Toward Junk With Moody's Warning of Restructuring Risks

Seems like the Perfect Storm is hitting Ford.

Steel tariffs, no more sedans in the lineup, Wall St says dividend has to be cut 30%, terrible management, etc...

I'm starting to feel uncomfortable ordering an $80,000.00 car when some Wall St analyst are saying Ford is in serious trouble as a car company.

P.S. I guess the writing was on the Wall when pickup trucks cost $100,000.00

Yeah Im with you on the $100k pickup trucks. I dont get it and I also dont get where people get their money for those but on the other side of that they sell each and everyone they can get their hands on. I also think its a bad move for Ford to stop building sedans, they just gave that entire market to the Japanese. My dad has a 2017 Taurus which is a great car IMO and I am 6'3 and fit just fine in the back seat. Ford should rethink the whole sedan thing. Any how the hell did Ford get into this bad shape anyway? When Mullany left they were doing quite well I thought.

 

[JimsFury]

Eh...I wouldn't go that far. The Taurus for instance was just a let down. Cramped back seat, it torque steered like oh my god, and had a constantly confused transmission. The Fusion Sport was a swing and a miss because it felt too pedestrian for a "sport" sedan that tried to do everything for you. The FiST, FoST, and FoRS are awesome. But their base cousins are just a'ight. Nothing special for sure.

Then there's Mopar. Awful base cars but turn into magic once they get V8's, hard hitting transmissions, burly brakes, and suspension that actually is fun. Note, I say FUN, not precise. But they have character and lots of it.

You can go and buy all the Mopar's you want and you had better be in love with the POS because resell value on anything Chrysler Corp is as bad if not worse than KIA.

 

[YOLO]

You can go and buy all the Mopar's you want and you had better be in love with the POS because resell value on anything Chrysler Corp is as bad if not worse than KIA.

The only way I would buy a Dodge is used and cheap.

Then several years later I'll still lose my azz.

 

[YOLO]

Yeah Im with you on the $100k pickup trucks.

I dont get it and I also dont get where people get their money for those but on the other side of that they sell each and everyone they can get their hands on. I also think its a bad move for Ford to stop building sedans, they just gave that entire market to the Japanese. My dad has a 2017 Taurus which is a great car IMO and I am 6'3 and fit just fine in the back seat. Ford should rethink the whole sedan thing. Any how the hell did Ford get into this bad shape anyway? When Mullany left they were doing quite well I thought.

A few months ago my son was in the market for a Pickup.

We were browsing dealership lots and I was floored at the prices of trucks. My son wanted a 5.0L, 4x4, nothing fancy and it was going to cost $50,000+ for a freakin truck.

I found one truck that looked nice until I read the sticker, $92,000.00.

Who the heck is buying these trucks?

 

[johnny1]

For that price must of been quite the truck. You can get a fully loaded raptor for less than that.

 

[YOLO]

For that price must of been quite the truck. You can get a fully loaded raptor for less than that.

Ford says it sees a strong market for drivers willing to step up and pay $90,000 or $100,000.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/28/ford-bets-theres-a-market-for-its-100000-f-450-pickup-trucks.html

 

[Osofast]

Last I checked most car guys want the car for the car, not the given stock price.

 

[JimsFury]

A few months ago my son was in the market for a Pickup.

We were browsing dealership lots and I was floored at the prices of trucks. My son wanted a 5.0L, 4x4, nothing fancy and it was going to cost $50,000+ for a freakin truck.

I found one truck that looked nice until I read the sticker, $92,000.00.

Who the heck is buying these trucks?

Raptor 4 door pickups are about $80,000, saw a new one the other day at the dealer.

 

[YOLO]

Raptor 4 door pickups are about $80,000, saw a new one the other day at the dealer.

Yep, and a V6.

No thanks. I'll take the 5.0 V8 or a Diesel.

 

[Bladex10]

Cant say i've ever heard of someone not wanting to buy an auto maker's car based on stock prices. Thats a new one

 

[GrapeApe]

Cant say i've ever heard of someone not wanting to buy an auto maker's car based on stock prices. Thats a new one

I sold cars in college and can tell you this came up quite often in my area lol. But it was usually from the ultra inverted, mega controlling, no surprises, aerospace system engineer types that have a plan to drive their 1991 minivan until the wheels fall off. You'd be surprised how many people can find a million reasons why they shouldn't buy the car they really want. They create these impossible to fulfill brass ring checklists that allows them to keep the dream alive in their imagination but also kill it every time they get too close.

 

[YOLO]

Cant say i've ever heard of someone not wanting to buy an auto maker's car based on stock prices. Thats a new one

Stock price had nothing to do with it.

I wanted to know if Ford would even be in business 5-10 years from now.

Warranty, parts, etc...

Everyone says it can never happen, Ford is too big etc...

There have been companies Waaaay bigger than Ford that have gone under.

I used to own a 2002 (last year) Pontiac WS6 Trans Am that was a sweeeeeeeet ride.

Guess what?

No more Pontiac (2008)!!!

No more Oldsmobile (2004)!!!

No more Saturn (2009)!!!

P.S. Did Ford get rid of Mercury???

 

[Colleton]

Ford will be gone in 6 months, don't buy a GT350. Go buy a ZL1 1LE.

 

[YOLO]

Ford will be gone in 6 months, don't buy a GT350. Go buy a ZL1 1LE.

I'm buying a Camaro SS 1LE but not the ZL1 (supercharged). That will be my daily driver for me and my son to beat the snot out of.

Selling for over $10,000 off, only $35,000.00 for a track beast: https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/new/s...=false&filtersModified=true#listing=215612773

Comes with Real Guages and a Real Transmission.

My GT350 will be more of a Garage Queen.

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