Would you guys trade in your current mustang for the 2024 dark horse

[HoosierDaddy]

Just wondering if you would trade your current mustang for a dark horse

Negatory.

Nor would I buy one if my S550 "passed away".

...... S550>several other cars>S650>many cars I wouldn't buy either.

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[Angrey]

That's called an HOA and anybody with a fully functioning brain hates them.

The "locked" ECU has been blown way out of proportion. All ECUs are locked until someone figures out how to get into them. If it can be coded, it can be decoded. This has been said numerous times in the past yet we have always found a way to get access before. I wouldn't let it bother you. The frontend and dash however? That's bothersome.

Your comparison is misplaced, the "architecture" this time around is structurally and substantially different.

The entire "Stack" is updated as a single file. So there's no way to separate out the BCM, PCM and other Forscan type functions without updating EVERYTHING. Then there's the issue of how much of the remote mothership communication is going to play fits with the car if you try to update the tune and it either can't communicate with Ford or recognizes that something has been altered/corrupted and communicates that to Ford (and then subsequently whether Ford doesn't turn off something as a response).

Furthermore this whole "they broke other PCM's" argument is only partially true. Tuners STILL do not have full access to the DCT portions of the S550 platform. And no one can say there hasn't been an interest (wide and far) to do so.

Dodge has been dealing with this since 2015. If you want to wholesale change your Dodge it means a new stand alone management system (or piggy back via Motec). Corvette owners have been dealing with this since the new C8 came out. They only recently "cracked" the C8 PCM and I haven't heard or read whether it was partially or fully.

If tuners weren't having so many problems with the DCT tuning, I'd probably defer to your position.

 

[Angrey]

Ford Won’t Give “Unauthorized Tuners” Access To The 2024 Mustang S650 | Carscoops

 

[Egparson202]

Have there been notable incidents of S550 or other Ford products being hacked by bad actors, resulting in data breaches? Or is this more proactive defense?

 

[Angrey]

Have there been notable incidents of S550 or other Ford products being hacked by bad actors, resulting in data breaches? Or is this more proactive defense?

It's boogie man bullshit. I think there might be a legit concern if each vehicle is now communicating with Ford (as a risk to Ford) but that could be addressed and compartmentalized.

Thinking down the road, if vehicles are going to start featuring user "options" and those additional electronically released features are going to involve payments, accounts, etc, maybe there's concerns there (i.e. someone can hack your car to get to your credit card or personal information).

As it stands now, you don't read many reports of people's vehicles being hacked.

 

[Egparson202]

It's boogie man bullshit. I think there might be a legit concern if each vehicle is now communicating with Ford (as a risk to Ford) but that could be addressed and compartmentalized.

Thinking down the road, if vehicles are going to start featuring user "options" and those additional electronically released features are going to involve payments, accounts, etc, maybe there's concerns there (i.e. someone can hack your car to get to your credit card or personal information).

As it stands now, you don't read many reports of people's vehicles being hacked.

That’s what I suspect as well. Exactly the kind of software-enabled sales and marketing strategy BMW and others are pursuing. Nope.

 

[Qcman17]

It's boogie man bullshit. I think there might be a legit concern if each vehicle is now communicating with Ford (as a risk to Ford) but that could be addressed and compartmentalized.

Thinking down the road, if vehicles are going to start featuring user "options" and those additional electronically released features are going to involve payments, accounts, etc, maybe there's concerns there (i.e. someone can hack your car to get to your credit card or personal information).

As it stands now, you don't read many reports of people's vehicles being hacked.

I suspect it could also be warranty claim related where mods may have caused a failure but weren't caught during the warranty claim process just a guess.

 

[Dave2013M3]

Not trade, but sell then go get one...yes I am considering it. Not fully sold on the idea though. Only because financially I am in a pretty good place with my 2020 Mustang.

 

[S550 HPP]

No, don't like the eyeliner effect under the headlights.

 

[dpAtlanta]

10-74.

If I sell my GT350 for one... I'm 10-96 and possible heading towards 10-109.

 

[Egparson202]

Either we’re the biggest bunch of liars on the planet or Ford messed up.

 

[ClayDee]

If I sell my GT350 for one... I'm 10-96 and possible heading towards 10-109.

Lol. I hear ya!

 

[analogman]

I'll cast my vote with the HELL NO crowd.

The Dark Horse sounds good on paper with the modest power bump. But I think the exterior styling changes (while a totally personal thing) are not a step in a good direction, and the interior with that gawd-awful iPad dash is a horrendous abomination.

I'm with @Egparson202. Ford messed up.

I think the S550 will go down in history as the last of the real Mustangs...

https://mailchi.mp/467417120e8e/antique-autos-mustangs-swan-song-top-muscle-camaro-commercials

 

[ClayDee]

I'll cast my vote with the HELL NO crowd.

The Dark Horse sounds good on paper with the modest power bump. But I think the exterior styling changes (while a totally personal thing) are not a step in a good direction, and the interior with that gawd-awful iPad dash is a horrendous abomination.

I'm with @Egparson202. Ford messed up.

I think the S550 will go down in history as the last of the real Mustangs...

https://mailchi.mp/467417120e8e/antique-autos-mustangs-swan-song-top-muscle-camaro-commercials

Even though I agree with you, same was said about the 18 model before and when it hit stealership lots. Now they are at every red light and intersection.

 

[analogman]

Even though I agree with you, same was said about the 18 model before and when it hit stealership lots. Now they are at every red light and intersection.

You're probably right that there were naysayers about the 2018.

But the two iPads hot-glued to the dash of the S650 goes WAY beyond some styling updates. It turns an iconic pony car interior into a cheap parody of a Nintendo video game.

To each their own. Some will probably love it, and happily buy the car. Like a friend of mine who thinks it's cool (but he's never had good taste in anything).

But not for me.

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