Why the Mach1 is a rip off

[Interceptor]

Ok here is the thread to post in.

I for one am tired of going to a thread that interest me and having to read through the endless post of why you think the Mach1 should have special steering wheel, it's a parts bin car, over priced GT, not enough colors, should have had a different motor. Badges and stickers etc.
These post are past old, and have been discussed over and over and over.

Here is where you can spend your time. Post away here please, not in threads about other subjects.
Discuss discuss discuss why you think the Mach1 is bad!

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[shogun32]

What would the bullitt cost had they carried it over to this model year? The PP1 cars jumped in price this year. They are closer in price than you are giving them credit. Not quite apples to apples to compare vehicle pricing from year to the next.

ok, 2021 inflated PP1 by 2 grand over 2019 which is out and out highway robbery and 1000% indefensible. Inflation is claimed to be 3-5%. How do you explain a 25% increase for the same damn parts in 1 year and compounding it again the next? Even a generous reading of inflation would have pegged the PP1 package at only 4400 in 2021.

And Ford baked another $1000 into the base price for the '(un)safe at any speed, and you're stupid' package. Also the 2021 cars with the GT350 plenum+TB got a guzzler tax. So that Bullitt would have been an additional 3 grand more (1 for guzzler, 2 for inflated PP1). So whoop-di-do the Mach1 is charging you 6-3=3 grand for $500 worth of vinyl stripes and less than 2000 worth of content. If you use the PP2's "package savings" of PP1+MR=$6500, the Mach is now analogous to charging a bit over 4 grand for the same less than $2500 worth of content. Would you like some Vaseline with your order?

If you build a 2021 GT Premium with stripes, MR, 401A, Recaro, B&O it's just shy of 56. Let's keep with the $2000 for coolers theme so call it 58 if we were to give it the same equipment as a Mach. The GT doesn't get hit for the guzzler but if it was (or use the money to buy the Bullitt TB+intake), then 59 is the total and we're 500 shy of the 700A Mach with an equivalent build.

On that basis, the Mach doesn't look ridiculous. Greedy, yes.
But ultimately comparing preposterous pricing 1 vs even more preposterous pricing 2 doesn't change the fact that the prices for either one are preposterous to begin with. No offense but a mustang stickering for more than 50 grand should be a capital crime. Ford is not Porsche. The options pricing is asinine and shameless.

And you're forgetting the GT is currently and going forward will be rabated anywhere from 2-3000 and discounted by the dealers 7-10% in addition. Aside from open-minded dealerships like Grainger selling Mach's for 7% off, Ford isn't about to rebate the Mach any time soon if frankly ever, if their attitude toward Bullitt and GT350 is any indication.

So in a real-world sense the GT built to look like a Mach pencils out to ~52 (and possibly less) while the Mach is 55.4 and very unlikely to see a penny below.

 

[Strokerswild]

Ford is not Porsche. The options pricing is asinine and shameless.

Truth.

Not to mention, the difference in quality is vast (to say the least, and kindly), and mid- and high-range Mustangs are within spitting distance of many Porsches in terms of cost.

 

[Charlemagne]

Seems to me that biggest problem that some people have with Mach 1 is that that they had different expectations and thus not like the outcome. But that's just their subjective feelings.

It's GT with almost all of the optional stuff included as standard, bit more power, with additional improvements for track, unique front fascia, exhaust tips, decals and badges giving homage to the original Mach 1. It's not Shelby but borrows some good parts from them. Is that good? It's awesome. It really is the pinnacle of S550 GT development at the end of this generation (and that's what Ford officials say too).

As for price, compare comparable (current year prices and same spec). In Premium it's 3k more than similarly equipped GT Premium PP1 (not including HP package which is certainly not suitable for everyone's needs and thus optional).

It's pointless to bicker about wet dreams of what it might have or should have been. This is it and if you already own GT or GT350 it's pretty pointless to buy it imo, you're obviously prejudiced by direct comparison. For those who don't own it, like me, especially in Europe, this is the best factory Mustang we can get now.

 

[Jimmy Dean]

Seems to me that biggest problem that some people have with Mach 1 is that that they had different expectations and thus not like the outcome. But that's just their subjective feelings.

It's GT with almost all of the optional stuff included as standard, bit more power, with additional improvements for track, unique front fascia, exhaust tips, decals and badges giving homage to the original Mach 1. It's not Shelby but borrows some good parts from them. Is that good? It's awesome. It really is the pinnacle of S550 GT development at the end of this generation (and that's what Ford officials).

As for price, compare comparable (current year prices and same spec). In Premium it's 3k more than similarly equipped GT Premium (not including HP package which is certainly not suitable for everyone's needs and thus optional).

It's pointless to bicker about wet dreams of what it might have or should have been. This is it and if you already own GT or GT350 it's pretty pointless to buy it imo, you're obviously prejudiced by direct comparison. For those who don't own it, like me, especially in Europe, this is the best factory Mustang we can get now.

not everyone will be pleased.

honestly, there are only two things that I really think should've been different (well, 3, but one was COMPLETELY not going to happen).

the wheels, I think that the base wheels should have been face and rim polished to look more like the mag 500s, and that could be easily fixable by the owner, and the hood, I think it needs a NACA/NASA, and hopefully at least the aftermarket may step up here.

The 3rd thing is a monster straight line motor, 7.3 or something. modern version of the 429 Mach 1s of 71-72

 

[Charlemagne]

Your 2 and 3 points would probably mean it wouldn't be sold in Europe and maybe other non-US countries. The engine for sure and safety regulations for hood etc. I think this factor was for sure behind some decisions that Ford made. Use what is approved and doesn't require costly homologations, approvals and such for a limited edition. It must be profitable, especially in current market conditions.

 

[ChitownStang]

WHAT A STUPID THREAD! MODERATOR SHOULD REMOVE IT

 

[garagelogic]

It is NOT a GT with options added.

Things you cannot get on a GT from the factory but do on every trim level of Mach 1:

GT350 Intake manifold
GT350 engine oil cooler
GT350 longer front underbelly pan
GT350 rear diffuser
GT350 rear wing (these combined offer more stability and creates 22% more downforce)
GT350 Tremec 6spd manual transmission (If you opt for the auto, you get additional trans cooling beyond what the GT gets)
Track-calibrated MagneRide adaptive dampers
Stiffer front springs
Stiffer anti-roll bars
wider front and rear wheels
A unique power steering calibration
A brake booster.
Overall cooling capacity is increased from vents in the front fascia that GT does not have

 

[shogun32]

Things you cannot get on a GT from the factory but do on every trim level of Mach 1:

pretty much all can be bought from parts sites for 10-15% off MSRP while ordering it 'factory installed' you're paying full markup.

You're welcome to think it's Ford's gift to mankind. Others of us consider it a crappy-ass deal. And since "you people" don't like us sh*tting on your valuations, we have this nice thread to counter-point the love-fest in the others. If you don't want to argue with the 'haters', there's this nifty button at the top of the page that will let you Ignore the thread entirely.

Track-calibrated MagneRide adaptive dampers
Stiffer front springs
Stiffer anti-roll bars

all long since available via the MR performance upgrade package. Now if the MR dampers were valved as they were in the GT350R you might have a point.

wider front and rear wheels

afermarket wheels are far lighter, better looking, stronger and vastly cheaper. GM has the good sense to ship their SS/1LE with fully-forged rims, not this cast crap.

A unique power steering calibration
A brake booster.

you can't be serious that this is somehow a win. Does it have the GT350R knuckles? How about roll-center compensating arms or bump steer kit? I mean, it's supposed to be "the most track ready" Mustang GT, right?

Overall cooling capacity is increased from vents in the front fascia that GT does not have

but they didn't bother to address heat-evacuation in the hood. So you still have to cut a giant square hole and install Track Vents or similar. Had the Mach come with a GT350-style vent or better yet GT500, that would have been fabulous.

Ford is 5 years late delivering what GM did back in 2016 for track readiness and GM did it for peanuts (45k-50k MSRP) whereas the Mach1 comes out to 57K and up. If GM can keep their cost of living rises to 2%/yr what's wrong at Ford that they think they need/justify 5-13%?

 

[garagelogic]

WHAT A STUPID THREAD! MODERATOR SHOULD REMOVE IT

Hey, let people vent. If you don't want to read/participate in the discussion, avoid the thread.

 

[garagelogic]

pretty much all can be bought from parts sites for 10-15% off MSRP while ordering it 'factory installed' you're paying full markup.

You're welcome to think it's Ford's gift to mankind. Others of us consider it a crappy-ass deal. And since "you people" don't like us sh*tting on your valuations, we have this nice thread to counter-point the love-fest in the others. If you don't want to argue with the 'haters', there's this nifty button at the top of the page that will let you Ignore the thread entirely.

all long since available via the MR performance upgrade package. Now if the MR dampers were valved as they were in the GT350R you might have a point.

afermarket wheels are far lighter, better looking, stronger and vastly cheaper. GM has the good sense to ship their SS/1LE with fully-forged rims, not this cast crap.

you can't be serious that this is somehow a win. Does it have the GT350R knuckles? How about roll-center compensating arms or bump steer kit? I mean, it's supposed to be "the most track ready" Mustang GT, right?

but they didn't bother to address heat-evacuation in the hood. So you still have to cut a giant square hole and install Track Vents or similar. Had the Mach come with a GT350-style vent or better yet GT500, that would be fabulous.

Ford is 5 years late delivering what GM did back in 2016 for track readiness and GM did it for peanuts (45k-50k MSRP) whereas the Mach1 comes out to 57K and up.

So your argument is that you can "build it for less" by going the aftermarket route. Okay, but in the end what you have is a modified GT Mustang. 20 years from now, if you hold onto the car, you'll still be holding onto a Mustang GT. If that is what people want, then they will not be in the market for the Mach 1. So be it. But the argument that it the Mach1 is just a GT with a graphics package is disingenuous, at best.

 

[shogun32]

But the argument that it the Mach1 is just a GT with a graphics package is disingenuous, at best.

no one said that in actual earnestness. Point was the Mach is a tweaked Bullitt. Bullitt was 53.5k with everything (not counting spare tire or silly cover). The alternate trans and coolers are worth maybe 2 grand. So worst case 55.5k and throw in another $500 for stickers. If the 700A with everything (except A10 and HP) was billed for 56k there'd be some (small) forgiveness.

So your argument is that you can "build it for less" by going the aftermarket route

No, I'm buying the actual Mach parts from parts.ford.com or Whitebear and other such outfits.

 

[blitzburgh]

Does the Mach have the awesome prop rod? Or has ford finally gotten rid of it?

 

[Stang 19]

It is NOT a GT with options added.

Things you cannot get on a GT from the factory but do on every trim level of Mach 1:

GT350 Intake manifold
GT350 engine oil cooler
GT350 longer front underbelly pan
GT350 rear diffuser
GT350 rear wing (these combined offer more stability and creates 22% more downforce)
GT350 Tremec 6spd manual transmission (If you opt for the auto, you get additional trans cooling beyond what the GT gets)
Track-calibrated MagneRide adaptive dampers
Stiffer front springs
Stiffer anti-roll bars
wider front and rear wheels
A unique power steering calibration
A brake booster.
Overall cooling capacity is increased from vents in the front fascia that GT does not have

Don’t forget a differential cooler, too.

 

[shogun32]

Does the Mach have the awesome prop rod? Or has ford finally gotten rid of it?

prop rods don't fail and break like stupid pressurized hydraulic cylinders do. If you want reliable you go for prop-rod every time.

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