Who will swap for the new 7.3 V8!

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    I shoot a lot of video myself...



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    He also makes a stroker block but it would be the supercharger for me:



     
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    Wow. We have literally started over at post #1.
     
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    Yep, and any minute Erik-427 will poke his head in again, and post something else either untrue, irrelevant, or both.
     
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    #2180 Fatguy, May 1, 2019
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    We are not back at page one. I have learned much in this thread with input and insight given from auto enthusiasts and most importantly, the engineers who’s analytic and superior cognitive abilities, have shown me the folly of my original and misguided preconceptions of the 7.3 swap. I bow to the immanence of their automotive acumen. You guys are the best!



    We have also shown that as an international board, gear heads of all races, creeds and nationalities, can congregate, discuss and draw important conclusions to our community, and in the end set an example for all the people of the world to look upon with awe and wonder.



    In this place, we have proven that humanity can rise above their base instincts, and follow true self-determination that is an example the rest of the world “must” follow...





     
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    @Erik Yellow Bullet? Seriously dude? LMFAO.
     
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    #2184 Fatguy, May 1, 2019
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    No that was not bait...



    This is:




    If there is one thing to take from a thread like this is that peer pressure works - most of the time. I didn’t count the pages but the unrelenting pressure by different members along with the “likes” brigade of supporters, usually takes its toll. Not on me mind you, as I grew up isolated. But the group as a whole will try and test you. The funny thing is the more they test you, the more they respect you even if it is only on a subconscious level. If you really stick it to them and refuse to budge you may even get supporters into the fight as they see their situations mirrored in your little social fight.


    Actually, I really haven’t budged at all. Listen to DrGrabster as he seems to know me “too” well (Hummm...). He knew it was all humbug (he is the only one here that can say that term and actually mean it).



    Anyway this thread really has little to do with a 7.3 gas engine as much as it has to do with egos and the social politic. This community has a pecking order and the possibility of a larger motor - that is particularly enticing to those lower on the totem pole - and basically leap-frogging them over the current king of the hill 5.0, well it upsets that order. Ford fleeces it’s customers to get them into a GT and to have that paid for status taken away must rile them up.



    But at the end of the day size matters. Park a GT and a 7.3 swap Mustang with 7.3 badging and anyone from 8 years old and up will say the 7.3 is better just because it has the bigger motor. Like penis size you can argue this and that, but people will only see that as someone trying to make up for inadequacy because they have a smaller dick or motor.


    The 7.3 has more cubic inches and more torque than the Coyote. That will be a fact. Horsepower can be more for the 5.0 but that argument is like saying a smaller penis is ok if the smaller size let’s you thrust faster. As a metaphor I hope you can see the folly in this argument. Most women will still prefer the larger size if they are honest. Same for motors, the average person on the street will value the 7.3 as better than the 5.0, and that is that. In the end it matters what the neighbours think and what the cute girl at the drive through thinks about you and your car. In short, actual capabilities matter, but perception from other car driver’s and pedestrians also matters, if not more.



    And that in short has been driving this thread. Ask your girl friend or wife what is really going on here between the two motors - 5.0 and 7.3 - and the women will say it’s all about size and that is what this thread is really about.



    I’m not your psychologist or psychiatrist, but anyone can see there is more invested in this discussion than swapping a motor. And, facts and figures can never overcome something as simple as size. Size matters and the 7.3 is larger and for most people that is all that counts and that is what was always driving this discussion - simmering under all the technical mumbo jumbo, and empty platitudes.



    I want my big block!
     
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    I just lost a few neurons reading that.
     
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    But outside of the enthusiasts it is true.


    Be honest - to Joe Average on the street, the 7.3 will be looked at as more desirable than the 5.0.


    And I’m being nice. I actually had penis size and thrusts per minute in the same equations as horsepower and stuff like that. But I didn’t go there because it would have been in bad taste.
     
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    Anybody that's a Drag Racer or is just sick of repairing the Coyote will view the 7.3 way above the 5.0 or any other variation of the mod motor.

    Everybody is stuck on a smallish displacement V-8 because it has dual overhead cams.
    But guess what, it only revs to 8,000rpm.
    Much higher with very expensive mods.......and a bunch of money.
    In the end, a large displacement pushrod V-8 will turn just as many RPM's and for less money.
    The 7.3 will deliver power at such a low rpm and then carry it all the way to the same redline.
    Mod for Mod.......and for much less money.
    For the Coyote to beat the 7.3 or any SBF and this includes the LS, Forced induction must be used.
    All major builders, not tuners say that the Coyote must have the valve springs upgraded.
    This means that the cam bearing caps must be changed out because they break.
    The secondary timing chains must be changed.
    The bores should be in all cases resleeved.
    Anything over 750hp all but dictates this with the 3rd Gen if longevity is a concern.
    Ring gaps must or should be opened up.
    Some of these builders say the pistons should be changed too.

    When all of this is taken into account, the 7.3 looks good.
    People tend to forget how much weight a blower and supporting hardware adds.

    So I say keep it simple and keep it cheap.
    Let the swaps begin.
     
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    Come on over......you won't get banned there and guess what? Fans of other brands will be weighing in.
    The true cost of the Coyote.......vs any pushrod motor.
    You open the thread over there. I'll be watching.

    I think you already know what the results are going to be.....
    Oh by the way, the community pack mentality will not be a issue.

    P.S. This isn't really a Overhead cam vs Pushrods debate.
    Be well prepared.
     
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    #2189 Fatguy, May 2, 2019
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    Everyone likes to get into the nitty gritty of the engines. But sometimes it is a very simple argument.

    Take for example the Jaguar E-Type. I remember this from my youth, and it came in basically 2 flavours. One was usually the earlier straight 6 and the second was the later V12. I don’t have to tell you the V12 was the one to get. When the V12 was introduced the 6 was sold along side but was quickly dropped. Everyone wanted that larger engine and the V12 was icing on the cake.


    The funny thing is that I believe the I6 was actually faster than the V12, and probably handled better too though I would not know. But everyone wanted the bigger motor! The idea of that sexy massively long hood with a V12 was just the sexiest iconic image to have as a young man back then. The performance figures didn’t matter. Everyone wanted that engine!


    The six was dropped due to lack of interest. The ordinary folk who keep the factories churning out cars just wanted the V12 and what they say goes.


    For the Mustang a Big Block V8 option would be hugely popular and it would cut into 5.0 sales. People would want the big motor “just because” and it’s the people with their fat wallets that decide what stays and what goes. Forget about the 7.3 for a moment, just say they came out with a high horsepower big block pushrod motor - what would you choose?


    The average consumer buys things on impulse and emotion. A proper big block option would cut deep into Coyotes sales and could possibly replace it. It all comes down to perception in the market and a 7.3 beats a 5.0 any day of the week - even if (like the Jaguar) the smaller motor was faster and handled better.
     
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    I see I was right on both counts.
     
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