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Hello all, just a quick introduction i just recently purchased a 2018 10speed GT performance package with a stage 1 whipple super charger with 13,000 miles and im the second owner and thats all i know because the dealership failed to retain any information from the previous owner since it was bought out of Canada and installed at a ford dealership in Canada (Im in the PNW).

So my First question is supporting mods and what i should get if there are any must need parts for longevity wise to keep the motor healthy etc
ive seen people say OPG are a must if you have a boosted mustang of any kind so thats already on the list. im not wanting anymore power because as it sits its far from enough for me and i simply dont need any more. My Second question is injectors and fuel pump are those needing to be upgraded etc? from my research im thinking no but im not too sure ive read that Whipple provides the correct injectors and fuel pump with the said kit but i just want to be sure. With that being said ive failed to find what size injectors and fuel pump and brand that come with them so if yall know that would be greatly appreciated. Moving onto my Third Question is cooling ive also read that with said kit they proved a good heat exchanger is it good? i dont plan on going to the track or drag strip but its crossed my mind when i get more comfortable with the car and if so would it be good as it sits or should i upgrade to a bigger one? also trans cooler is that a must? i dont redline this car and push her very hard, but i do have some fun when i find myself alone with a nice stretch of road. also should i beef up the 10 speed? i dont know how much power these can handle so if need be i would love to know. Fourth question is it also dosent have any catch cans etc so thats already on the list for me to snag but i have seen that there are single and duel set ups for catch cans since the car is supercharged should i be safer then sorry and just go with duel? Fifth question is the tune itself since i cant find anything describing the stock Whipple tune and what it comes with etc i would love to know! does the power change depending on what mode im in? IE Normal, Sport, Sport Plus, Track, Drag, And snow/wet. is there a way i can turn off the burbles even though i wouldn't because i love them but it would be good to know to just know. and if there are different modes how do i change them?

And that sums up my questions that i currently have im guessing im gonna have more but for now thats it. If anyone has more info to add or what to do to the car that would be really great!

Thank you for reading and helping out someone new to the mustang family!

 

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1st- OPG aren't necessary and seem to only be an issue when bouncing off the rev limiter constantly. Team Beefcake racing has had a stock bottom end engine with over 1000 hp racing for a while.
2nd- Unless going past Phase One 800hp applications, stock throttle body, injectors and fuel pump work fine. 93 Octane tune is used. A Phase Two or above upgrade requires those components to be upgraded and an E85 tune. E85 requires way more gallons per hour of fuel flow.
3rd- Cooling is always a good thing. I didn't upgrade mine from the extra capacity the Performance Pack cars have and it's been fine. I have a six speed so trans cooling isn't really necessary.
4th- I got a catch can just to help keep the engine cleaner. I catch about 2 or 3 ounces per 6,000 mile oil change. I think it's still worthwhile.
5th- My tune was installed and upgrading at LeBanon Ford Performance where I bought the car. I got a tuner and get updates now and then to fix and issues or for upgrades.

Hopes this helps you out some. My 2018 GT LFP800 has been excellent for 17,000 miles I put on it. This winter, I hope to upgrade the axles, driveshaft and swapping the PP 1 suspension for a Steeda coil over setup, lowering the car 1". Enjoy your new Mustang!
 

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1st- OPG aren't necessary and seem to only be an issue when bouncing off the rev limiter constantly. Team Beefcake racing has had a stock bottom end engine with over 1000 hp racing for a while.
2nd- Unless going past Phase One 800hp applications, stock throttle body, injectors and fuel pump work fine. 93 Octane tune is used. A Phase Two or above upgrade requires those components to be upgraded and an E85 tune. E85 requires way more gallons per hour of fuel flow.
3rd- Cooling is always a good thing. I didn't upgrade mine from the extra capacity the Performance Pack cars have and it's been fine. I have a six speed so trans cooling isn't really necessary.
4th- I got a catch can just to help keep the engine cleaner. I catch about 2 or 3 ounces per 6,000 mile oil change. I think it's still worthwhile.
5th- My tune was installed and upgrading at LeBanon Ford Performance where I bought the car. I got a tuner and get updates now and then to fix and issues or for upgrades.

Hopes this helps you out some. My 2018 GT LFP800 has been excellent for 17,000 miles I put on it. This winter, I hope to upgrade the axles, driveshaft and swapping the PP 1 suspension for a Steeda coil over setup, lowering the car 1". Enjoy your new Mustang!
My research over the last six months has revealed the same. Excellent reply 99Zeus99. Thank you
 

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OPG: no
Injectors/BAP on the Whipple stage 1 kit: no
Cooling: fine with the stage 1 kit. Just check your gauges to see if IATs go up too much for your liking, but I say: no
Catch can: up to you for looks, my sugg: no
If you have active exhaust, you can go into the exhaust menu and select "quiet". If not, the burbles are part of the tune, remember you have significantly more torque, hp and exhaust flow even at a lower RPM with a PD blower.

BWT, that is a great tune from Whipple. Leave stuff alone and enjoy the car. Use 5-30 synthetic and change the oil more frequently, especially after a day at the DS or track.
 

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OPG: no
Injectors/BAP on the Whipple stage 1 kit: no
Cooling: fine with the stage 1 kit. Just check your gauges to see if IATs go up too much for your liking, but I say: no
Catch can: up to you for looks, my sugg: no
If you have active exhaust, you can go into the exhaust menu and select "quiet". If not, the burbles are part of the tune, remember you have significantly more torque, hp and exhaust flow even at a lower RPM with a PD blower.

BWT, that is a great tune from Whipple. Leave stuff alone and enjoy the car. Use 5-30 synthetic and change the oil more frequently, especially after a day at the DS or track.
Hey GreenS550, I just recently purchased a Procharger Supercharger (haven't got it yet), and I was thinking do I need to go up in the oil viscosity? Go from 5w 20 to 5w 30 because of the added power. I thought about this over the weekend, will call Procharger tomorrow and see what they say also.
 


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Cooling: fine with the stage 1 kit. Just check your gauges to see if IATs go up too much for your liking, but I say: no
I didn’t think there was a way to read IAT2 with the kit as-is. Were you able to?
 

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I didn’t think there was a way to read IAT2 with the kit as-is. Were you able to?
The track apps allows you to see IAT. Very low with the Procharger, usually 10 degrees more than ambient air temp at most from my experience. Hard acceleration and hot lapping will increase the temp though.
 
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1st- OPG aren't necessary and seem to only be an issue when bouncing off the rev limiter constantly. Team Beefcake racing has had a stock bottom end engine with over 1000 hp racing for a while.
2nd- Unless going past Phase One 800hp applications, stock throttle body, injectors and fuel pump work fine. 93 Octane tune is used. A Phase Two or above upgrade requires those components to be upgraded and an E85 tune. E85 requires way more gallons per hour of fuel flow.
3rd- Cooling is always a good thing. I didn't upgrade mine from the extra capacity the Performance Pack cars have and it's been fine. I have a six speed so trans cooling isn't really necessary.
4th- I got a catch can just to help keep the engine cleaner. I catch about 2 or 3 ounces per 6,000 mile oil change. I think it's still worthwhile.
5th- My tune was installed and upgrading at LeBanon Ford Performance where I bought the car. I got a tuner and get updates now and then to fix and issues or for upgrades.

Hopes this helps you out some. My 2018 GT LFP800 has been excellent for 17,000 miles I put on it. This winter, I hope to upgrade the axles, driveshaft and swapping the PP 1 suspension for a Steeda coil over setup, lowering the car 1". Enjoy your new Mustang!
First off Thank you for the information i Really Appreciate it!
Regarding the injectors and fuel pump are they the oem ones or does Whipple supply new ones and if so what are they?
 

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Catch can for the passenger side is smart, driver's side is generally optional. I've only ever come across 2 posts of people ever finding anything in the driver's side. One was a whipple, which is why I bought one (just for insurance).

You can guarantee that there's oil going back through your intake on the passenger side. Oil doesn't just gum up things and leave bake on residue, it lowers your octane rating and reduces knock resistance.

The passenger side valve cover is different than the driver's side (for whatever reason) and doesn't have the same baffling that prevents suspended oil particles/vapor from going back through the PCV. Might have something to do with the rotation of the secondary chains.

In either case, it's almost assured you're sending oil back through the intake on the passenger side.

OPG is something that most do IF you're cracking the motor open. It's cheap insurance. Yes, there's lots of solid theories that float about whether it's rev limiters, 2 steps, rapid changes in RPM or vibrations/harmonics, but the bottom line is if your OPG's go, it's generally VERY expensive as it potentially wrecks a bunch of stuff. If you have the molded in plastic oil pan, most end up having to replace that just because you can't get to the bottom of the pan to clean out the debris. Then there's the labor to swap them, cost of new gears and then the cost of whatever else gets wrecked because metal debris going throughout the motor.

If you don't plan on E85, injectors aren't necessary (other than what they provided you).

Cooling is kinda up to you and your tuner. Not "necessary" but every bit of additional cooling helps lower intake temps which means you can either A) run a little bit more timing or fuel trim to make more power OR B) you can make the same power with a little less risk.
 

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stage 2 comes with 37lb or 39lb injectors and DW400 pump. With that set up and the 3.875 pulley it comes with you are about maxed on 93. You cant run e85 with that system as it will drain the rails and not many if any would tune it for e85 like that. I may sell the injectors and pump my stage 2 came with as I just did a fore system. I didnt do OPG as the 18+ dont seem to have the issues like earlier years due to a fluid dampner possibly helping. not sure if the stage one comes with the IAT2 harness but once that is plugged in it will read off the reg IAT. catch can wise is always a wise decision when boosted and does catch a bit of blow bye-I used the UPR one for the whipple. awesome set up and looks factory. Stock whipple tune pops a lot from what I have read, I used Lund right from the get go and have no pops. But check with whipple as they may have a tune update/revision for you. As for you saying it has enough power, I said the same for the stage 2. But then I wanted more unfortunately since I got some good deals. But you should be totally fine without changing a thing with how the stage 1 is set up. just run it and enjoy.
 
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Man Do i love these forums :crackup: you guys have given me great info with out telling me to part out or to F off so i really do appreciate it! ill have more questions for sure in the future but for now you guys have answered them all so thank you very much!
 

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So to answer your questions, Whipple actually has thought of most of the answers in their kit out of the box. If the kit was purchased as a complete kit, it comes with injectors and a pump for fueling needs. I would recommend doing OPG/crank sprocket as well when you get the chance if the previous order did not do it. If you do not have a catch can, it would be a very good idea, as the stock PCV system will throw oil back into the intake system and dilute your octane.

In regards to cooling, Whipple has done a great job with their heat exchangers. I've never seen one overheat when setup correctly. If you have any other questions or are looking to get some OPG/CS, feel free to shoot me a message. We can get you taken care of. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays from Lethalperformance.com.
 

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Hello all, just a quick introduction i just recently purchased a 2018 10speed GT performance package with a stage 1 whipple super charger with 13,000 miles and im the second owner and thats all i know because the dealership failed to retain any information from the previous owner since it was bought out of Canada and installed at a ford dealership in Canada (Im in the PNW).

So my First question is supporting mods and what i should get if there are any must need parts for longevity wise to keep the motor healthy etc
ive seen people say OPG are a must if you have a boosted mustang of any kind so thats already on the list. im not wanting anymore power because as it sits its far from enough for me and i simply dont need any more. My Second question is injectors and fuel pump are those needing to be upgraded etc? from my research im thinking no but im not too sure ive read that Whipple provides the correct injectors and fuel pump with the said kit but i just want to be sure. With that being said ive failed to find what size injectors and fuel pump and brand that come with them so if yall know that would be greatly appreciated. Moving onto my Third Question is cooling ive also read that with said kit they proved a good heat exchanger is it good? i dont plan on going to the track or drag strip but its crossed my mind when i get more comfortable with the car and if so would it be good as it sits or should i upgrade to a bigger one? also trans cooler is that a must? i dont redline this car and push her very hard, but i do have some fun when i find myself alone with a nice stretch of road. also should i beef up the 10 speed? i dont know how much power these can handle so if need be i would love to know. Fourth question is it also dosent have any catch cans etc so thats already on the list for me to snag but i have seen that there are single and duel set ups for catch cans since the car is supercharged should i be safer then sorry and just go with duel? Fifth question is the tune itself since i cant find anything describing the stock Whipple tune and what it comes with etc i would love to know! does the power change depending on what mode im in? IE Normal, Sport, Sport Plus, Track, Drag, And snow/wet. is there a way i can turn off the burbles even though i wouldn't because i love them but it would be good to know to just know. and if there are different modes how do i change them?

And that sums up my questions that i currently have im guessing im gonna have more but for now thats it. If anyone has more info to add or what to do to the car that would be really great!

Thank you for reading and helping out someone new to the mustang family!

OPG's aren't required but with higher RPMs associated with power adders it's not a bad idea and the only downfall is money really. The stock OPG is one of the weaker points of the Coyote motor so swapping out to a billet piece definitely helps. Plus we're running the Boundary Combo on sale right now for $249.

https://www.beefcakeracing.com/brand/boundary-oil-pump-gears/

If it is a Whipple tune on the car, their injectors/ fueling will suffice for sure. If you plan to go to a custom tune you'll want a 1000cc injector and a fuel pump booster for pump gas. If you want to go with E85 you'll want the 1000cc injector and return style fuel system.

For the cooling the standard Whipple heat exchanger does really well, if you start seeing higher IAT's and it is the standard H/E you could upgrade to their upgraded H/E that moves a ton of air. Trans cooler isn't required as well and there are a few setups other there to help the 10R80 cool down, but for your application it should do really well. Right now all there is to beef up the 10R80s is the clutch kits along with the full Suncoast kits; which we're running on our 2018 making 1400+ wheel :) along with an upgraded converter.

A catch can isn't required just like the OPG's but again it doesn't hurt as the Coyote's do have a decent amount of blow by especially boosted. Any time you can keep the intake track clean it doesn't hurt for sure.

A tune isn't going to change the different driving modes as well. The different drive modes may adjust throttle response some but alot of it is how quick traction control kicks in or how sensitive it is.


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Hey GreenS550, I just recently purchased a Procharger Supercharger (haven't got it yet), and I was thinking do I need to go up in the oil viscosity? Go from 5w 20 to 5w 30 because of the added power. I thought about this over the weekend, will call Procharger tomorrow and see what they say also.
The required oil for the newer 5.0 engines is 5-30. When under a higher load/higher temps the slightly higher viscosity will give better film for the bearings. You can run is in a NA car with no issue at all. Ford recommends 5-50 for track days. Whipple recommends 5-50 Motorcraft full synthetic with their kit. Expensive oil.
 

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My experience with OPG/Sprocket is not good. Now, I am not saying this is an issue with other installers. But, the only Mustang that I had OPGs installed had an engine failure. It was also my only Coyote failure.

If you are not doing high horsepower apps (700whp+) you are fine. I am going to guess almost no one remembers the "cylinder 8" scare and fix that was going around 6-8 years ago. Well, same thing. Yes the part can fail, but it is very, very, very unlikely. And several failures occurred on non-FI cars. I like most of our vendors, but they are in the business of selling parts. No offense at all, they offer great stuff and really helpful for most of us. I woud even go so far as to say that if you buy OPGs you will never have an OPG failure! But, if you never fly you will not ever crash either.

But, like those that freak out if they don't have their mask on in the car, there will be nervous nellies and they will be able to sleep if they put them in. Remember, if you pay someone, the price of the gears is the cheap part. Labor costs are fairly significant. One shop in the Detroit area that is very good has never put them in one build and never saw a failure. They have been in the business now nearly 30 years.

There are many, many 10 second Mustangs without OPGS. In fact almost all of them.

Just make sure your fuel is correct with a decent tuner. That is where the issues really lie.
 

 
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