Wheel failure

[Redfuzzbutt]

Do you have pictures of the wash out / pot hole?

Conclusion: I don't see the tire shop to blame with the informations we have, but give it a try, asking is for free.

I don't have any pics of that particular area and I think I may be hard pressed to find the exact spot where it happened, especially now that it has been several days but I'll try and get over there today and see if I can. The road has very few pull off points where a whole vehicle can get off the road, but I've been curious too.

I'm not saying it's the shop's fault that this happened, that's a big part of the reason why I started the discussion as I wanted the opinions of people who likely have more wheel experience than I do. I'm 100% good with owning my own faults but if the shop does have some fault in this, I'm 100% good with them owning their faults as well.

The sobering part of this happening so randomly is the speed I was going vs the speed I was going a short time before then. The consequences could have been vastly more dire.

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[Redfuzzbutt]

Tire blew, you drove on it for a little bit, wheel got destroyed.

Those are tires with big quality control issues. Lots of talk of them blowing out on all the car forums.

I don't think the tire blew, though we may define that differently. The tire itself appears to be perfectly fine, visually speaking. The wheel let go, separating down the barrel into two pieces. The outter part of the wheel remained bolted on the hub and that was the part I drove on for a few hundred yards.

The loose and inner section of the wheel bounced around and got beat up, beat the shit out of various things in the wheel well, which the the tire did as well. I'll post a couple of pics to maybe better show what I'm trying to describe.

I haven't heard of the QC issues of the Atturo tires, but I'm not on other forums. Definitely possible the tire itself was a contributing factor, I'm not ruling anything out. I went cheap with the tires because I am planning on getting a new set of wheels next spring and undecided if going 19 or 20" but I couldn't continue to run the G2 as they were getting even stupid slick.

 

[fmc_smt]

I don't think the tire blew, though we may define that differently. The tire itself appears to be perfectly fine, visually speaking. The wheel let go, separating down the barrel into two pieces. The outter part of the wheel remained bolted on the hub and that was the part I drove on for a few hundred yards.

The loose and inner section of the wheel bounced around and got beat up, beat the shit out of various things in the wheel well, which the the tire did as well. I'll post a couple of pics to maybe better show what I'm trying to describe.

I haven't heard of the QC issues of the Atturo tires, but I'm not on other forums. Definitely possible the tire itself was a contributing factor, I'm not ruling anything out. I went cheap with the tires because I am planning on getting a new set of wheels next spring and undecided if going 19 or 20" but I couldn't continue to run the G2 as they were getting even stupid slick.

Check the tire side walls and see if there is any signs of an impact . And if you need an upper shock mount , I have and your welcome to it . If your this way today bring the tire and let me have a look at it .

 

[robvas]

I don't think the tire blew, though we may define that differently. The tire itself appears to be perfectly fine, visually speaking. The wheel let go, separating down the barrel into two pieces. The outter part of the wheel remained bolted on the hub and that was the part I drove on for a few hundred yards.

Sorry, I was looking on my phone and I thought the picture of the wheel was the tire ripped in half

Definitely looks like that wheel just had a catastrophic failure and wasn't cast right, you're right that the tire had nothing to do with it.

And unless the tire shop used a grinder to score the wheel where it failed I don't think anything they did would have caused that.

 

[Redfuzzbutt]

Check the tire side walls and see if there is any signs of an impact . And if you need an upper shock mount , I have and your welcome to it . If your this way today bring the tire and let me have a look at it .

I appreciate it, I should be able to swing by later today - you still like your Starbucks with extra cream?

 

[MAGS1]

If there had already been a tear, the tire would have been deflated.

If the rim had already been out of round before, they should have noticed this when fitting the new tires if they did it right.
At first they should run the rim on the balancing machine to see where the heaviest point is and then match the tire with its heaviest point against it. This way you need less weights.

By the way that are not many weights (if lead free) for cheap rims and tires!
The OEM do need more in many cases!

Of course, the rims may still have had an unnoticed defect.
The small wash out in the road may have been the last bit that was missing to failure.

Do you have pictures of the wash out / pot hole?

Conclusion: I don't see the tire shop to blame with the informations we have, but give it a try, asking is for free.

Nah that’s still a lot of weights. I have SVE wheels for summer, so inexpensive wheels (wouldn’t say cheap because they are well made IMO) and the most I have on one of my wheels is maybe a quarter of what OP had on his.

 

[fmc_smt]

I appreciate it, I should be able to swing by later today - you still like your Starbucks with extra cream?

Ya right .

 

[MAGS1]

Check the tire side walls and see if there is any signs of an impact . And if you need an upper shock mount , I have and your welcome to it . If your this way today bring the tire and let me have a look at it .

This is why I love this forum. Folks helping each other out, especially when local.

 

[Redfuzzbutt]

The update.

After approx one month of disputed liability claim and the big box store utilizing their own 3rd party, the claim was denied due to "no evidence reviewed that their client caused the damage".

Well poop. The 3rd party was a real pain to communicate with and the claim analyst never once made contact with me, so any questions I have will likely go unanswered and just really cause me more grief.

Got a hold of an attorney, just to bounce it off of him and get his take (friend of a friend situation) and in a nutshell, it would be expensive up front and a significant risk to show that the damage or neglect was done, consuming a lot of time for a "small" payout.

Without a doubt, the principle of the situation makes me quite irritated but at the end of the day, nothing really bad happened. Couple thousand of dollars, derailed plans, and not driving my car during this beautiful weather we've been having out here in AZ...

Live and let live, and never do business with them again.

 

[kz]

Do you really honestly think they were at fault in any way ?

This is cheap trash wheel that failed because it's cheap and trash and I'd honestly think that expectation of compensation from a tire shop is unethical at the minimum. You literally got what you paid for.

 

[Redfuzzbutt]

Do you really honestly think they were at fault in any way ?

This is cheap trash wheel that failed because it's cheap and trash and I'd honestly think that expectation of compensation from a tire shop is unethical at the minimum. You literally got what you paid for.

At fault with negligence? Yes. Either the wheel was damaged when brought in, and they balanced a damaged wheel after mounting the tire or it was damaged at the shop, etc.

Two main reasons why I suspect that is the dents on the inner rim of the wheel 180° across from each other and the amount of weights (and two different styles of weights) used to balance.

I've ran the situation and photos by numerous people who have a lot more automotive experience than I do, so this isn't some "throwing shit and seeing what sticks" situation or an attempt to get something for nothing.

But as far as value, when it comes to getting what I paid for, your 2 cents is going a long way - so I appreciate getting some real value out of you.

 

[S550HPP]

Report it to NHTSA as suspect defective wheel. Maybe they are not even NHTSA or DOT registered. No certified wheel would fail like that even hitting a normal pothole...

Only buy wheels with JWL or TUV registration for the specific model and size purchasing. Anything less on cars with this HP and 150MPH+ capability is asking for serious trouble.

They may do a failure analysis, or you can pay $10K to get your own done and maybe have a litigation basis for millions given the life threatening nature of this.

 

[Redfuzzbutt]

Report it to NHTSA as suspect defective wheel. Maybe they are not even NHTSA or DOT registered. No certified wheel would fail like that even hitting a normal pothole...

Only buy wheels with JWL or TUV registration for the specific model and size purchasing. Anything less on cars with this HP and 150MPH+ capability is asking for serious trouble.

They may do a failure analysis, or you can pay $10K to get your own done and maybe have a litigation basis for millions given the life threatening nature of this.

Sincerely appreciate the suggestions and insight for additional options. The reality is that I'm not looking to make it more than what it is, nor chasing after something big... I was just looking for some ownership of the negligence and be on my merry way.

It's still recent news to me and I'm still digesting it, been holding off on doing anything with the car till this got resolved and I miss driving it - which will likely mean that I'll move on and get it back on the road sooner than later.

But always appreciate the opinions of the group, even the ones that take an opposite vantage point.

 

[Basspro302]

There is no way the balance would dictate a faulty wheel thats not bent. Also the weights shown in the picture don’t add up to much weight. You have cheap cast wheels that failed. Every one blaming the shop but not the garbage parts.

 

[Nightmonkey]

To me, it sounded from the beginning like a case of "Buy cheap, buy twice"!
And you almost paid a premium for buying cheap rims (& tires).

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