Wash. State Set to Ban New Gasoline Vehicle Sales by 2030

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Meh...8 years to prepare for my move I guess. Then when 2030 gets here decide what to actually do. I could be down for an EV if done right. My Coyote will only have around 100k miles on it by then too. See what I can afford to do at that time. Till then, continue throwing Styrofoam down the drains...kidding!! The millage tax seems okay to me without looking into it. At face value, you're charged for what you "use" and I like that idea.
I think the mileage tax is a bad idea. It will hurt poorer folks who can't afford to live where they work. The rich folks in Seattle won't care.

We also pay the first or second highest cost per mile of roadwork in this state. Fix that first. No more tunnel boondoggles.





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I think the mileage tax is a bad idea. It will hurt poorer folks who can't afford to live where they work. The rich folks in Seattle won't care.

We also pay the first or second highest cost per mile of roadwork in this state. Fix that first. No more tunnel boondoggles.
I can see that and agree with it. I just like the idea of everyone paying for what they use. It's just not the world we live in though. Seattle needs me more than I need it, haven't been there in years and don't ever need to go there. I generally dislike all downtowns but I'm also no country guy either. Raised on the west hill of Kent in the 80's-90's between Federal Way and Des Moines and love the city-not city life. Speaking of road work, i5 near Tacoma Dome been under construction since before I was driving in 1998 lol.
 

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I think the mileage tax is a bad idea. It will hurt poorer folks who can't afford to live where they work. The rich folks in Seattle won't care.
I can also see the tax rate changing due to time of day route ect..

Like it being .2 cents a mile at 2 AM but 40 cents during rush hour.
 
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I can see that and agree with it. I just like the idea of everyone paying for what they use. It's just not the world we live in though. Seattle needs me more than I need it, haven't been there in years and don't ever need to go there. I generally dislike all downtowns but I'm also no country guy either. Raised on the west hill of Kent in the 80's-90's between Federal Way and Des Moines and love the city-not city life. Speaking of road work, i5 near Tacoma Dome been under construction since before I was driving in 1998 lol.
What about highway 18? Generations have worked on that one!

Seattle is an absolute sewer and is not worth visiting at all. Shame.
 

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Social responsibility is for the poors. Laws are meant to keep the rabble in line. Truth is, the game was rigged from the start.
One reason I do not live in a State run by Incompetent's people.
 
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I can also see the tax rate changing due to time of day route ect..

Like it being .2 cents a mile at 2 AM but 40 cents during rush hour.
They charge $7.00 to cross a bridge. Up to $10.00 to drive in the HOV as a single driver.

Whatever they will charge will be a lot!
 

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What about highway 18? Generations have worked on that one!

Seattle is an absolute sewer and is not worth visiting at all. Shame.
Good ol 18 lol. I think I've almost died about 73 times on that road. Lived in Maple Valley and worked in North Bend and my accident closed the road that day. Last icy day of the year and felt like the hand of god slapped the back of my 2002 ranger. Fish tailed before sliding into the median right into a park van. Airbag and all. Had to fight my way out of the truck basically leg pressing the door open. Truck didn't have a nose anymore. Still have water over one of my knee caps and that was like 16 years ago!
 

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Start you own thread to be dumb in bub.
There's plenty of room in this one, it's still a free country....well, maybe not in Washington.

That was racist, my name is not Bub.

Doesn't really matter though because the term was coined with racist connotations. It was meant to be a slight against Chinese.

It is this kind of thinking the leads to nut jobs attacking Asians randomly on the street.

If you don't realize that you are either dumb or racist. You pick.
Referring to disease outbreaks by geographic locations is nothing new. It’s been an accepted practice for years and a long-accepted tradition. Stop trying to place it in your cancel culture list. Call it "Wuhan" if you like, same virus.

Meh, it's usually nut jobs attacking other nut jobs.

I pick neither, there's more choices available.

What an asinine thing to say.
Following the leaders of science, blame them.

You do know that masks are not 100 percent effective, right? Your story proves nothing.

Also, IMO, "China virus" is a racist term.
Prove they are effective at all, you can't.

China is a country where a virus started.
 

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One reason I do not live in a State run by Incompetent's people.
44th in healthcare
36th in education
40th in economy
48th in fiscal stability
29th in Natural Environment
Best category KY manages to pull is 13th in Crime & Corrections.
41st on over all ratings average out of 50 states

Median income of 27-28K
Only 33% college educated...



Kentucky sure sounds incompetent to me. Kentucky hasn't got ANY angle to talk out on when only 9 states worse than yours.
 
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Prove they are effective at all, you can't.

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China is a country where a virus started.
Fine, you gonna sign an agreement to rename the Spanish Flu the Kansas Flu? Cuz thats where it started.
 

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Simple google says otherwise



Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html
yeah, Google does prove me... correct:

The first observations of illness and mortality were documented in the United States (in Kansas) in March 1918 and then in April in France, Germany and the United Kingdom. To maintain morale, World War I censors minimized these early reports. Newspapers were free to report the epidemic's effects in neutral Spain, such as the grave illness of King Alfonso XIII, and these stories created a false impression of Spain as especially hard hit. This gave rise to the name "Spanish" flu. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify with certainty the pandemic's geographic origin, with varying views as to its location.[2]



Interesting that the American base sources are the ONLY ones NOT saying it started in America... hmmmmmmmmmmm. Nope no propaganda there.
 
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Is that all you got? Surely you can post up a few that will actually back up your claim that a paper mask will stop the virus.
Obviously you didn't even look at any of the references.

Where is your proof?
 

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Is that all you got? Surely you can post up a few that will actually back up your claim that a paper mask will stop the virus.
because NO ONE has ever said it STOPs the virus, just mitigates it.

Use a dictionary.
 

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