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Yeah, agree. I could afford a gt500 if I wanted one. I can't justify it not due to money, but just how I drive. I don't track drive like a lot of the 500 owners do, and I just don't care enough to own one. My gt is plenty fast for me. Awesome car, but at the price we're talking about, it wouldn't be a mustang.... As previously stated by others.

I put the money difference other places. I like lots of toys....

Also, my gt is a dd. Not that you can't dd a 500 of course, but I wouldn't want to. I'd feel guilty and leave it in the garage more often and take my truck or Bronco more often, and I got the gt to drive the hell out of it.....
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no, it means that SOME people (recent hopeful buyers) either WANT the car bad enough to pay the current/local premium, or do indeed think Ford underpriced the offering. Then there are others who think Ford's MSRP was rich to begin with and regard the current mania as just that.

Remember when GT350R were discounted 7 grand back in 2019 just to get them off lots?

If I have 200,000 in the bank with which to buy a car, I absolutely can AFFORD the Shelby, markups intact. That I'm unwilling to spend the money because it's a bad value trade-off has nothing whatsoever to do with 'afford'.
Well then basically the car is too much money for you. So don't buy one. Maybe you can get one when they're cheaper. But don't sit here telling us what it's worth. It is worth every penny of what they are listed at if not more. Not one person who paid MSRP or an ADM has regretted their decision or ever stated that the car wasn't worth the money. It is too much for YOU. Whether you have $200,000 in the bank or $2,000,000 in the bank. The price of the car right now is too much for you. For the rest of us, we're fine with it. So again, don't buy one.
 

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Hello; Not clear where socialism has crept into the discussion. The debate appears to be between those who will pay above MSRP and those who will not pay above MSRP. Either way each person will be paying for the vehicle with their own money, not expecting someone else to help pay. Have I missed some part???
I am in the group who has not yet paid above MSRP. I do not expect a dealership to sell at a point where they do not make money so am not suggesting that sort of thing. I have always figured the dealership can make a profit selling at MSRP. If they add to the sticker, then they make extra profit.

The issue, as I understand it, is the perception of value. Some seem to figure spending extra is worth it because they get a car, they feel is superior and get it now. There are those who have the funds to do so and get one of the cars. There are those who would spend the extra money but just do not have the funds. In my youth I was in the latter category.

I can sort of see the point for a GT500 and other similar special cars as they have lots of mechanical bits which are indeed an improvement over a base chassis. Not so easy to see paying extra for a base GT other than a supply/demand situation. If one or both of my current vehicles go bad, I might have to rethink my stance and pay the extra to have something new.

Anyway, I do not see the socialism angle.

The fact that you think its unfair that some can afford a GT500 with ADM and choose to do so is
your socialism angle. All ADM haters are either resentful as hell they can't afford something or they have this idea that we should all be able to afford it and all have one. The part socialists miss, I earned my money legally and can spend it however I choose.

Look up the word earned

"to receive as return for effort and especially for work done or services rendered" a handout is not earned.

The other idea is that either charging a ADM or paying one is some sort of moral issue. That could not be more ridiculous and illogical, at least in this country
 

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Maybe Ford (All brands) should do away with MSRP and just let the dealer set its own number....
Here's an idea: maybe Ford should build as many as they can sell at list and have willing buyers for with no games. They'd still be a limited item.
 

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Here's an idea: maybe Ford should build as many as they can sell at list and have willing buyers for with no games. They'd still be a limited item.
LMAO.. this thread is comical.

Business Plan A: Build item. Cost:$30 dollars per unit, sell at $35 per unit. Production quantity per year: 10,000 units. All units sold. 10,000 people happy you worked/risked your ass off to net 5$ per unit for their benefit

Business Plan B: Cost: $30 dollars per unit, sell at $45 per unit. Production quantity per year: 8000 units. All units sold. 8000 people happy to have product, 2000 people missed out and pounding sand. Your employees/family happy to have holidays and worklife balance. All because you netted $15 a unit

Which business model do you choose? I think I already know
 

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you forgot plan C, do plan B and customers Say "F that I ll get a 911". Lay off employees.

This is a funny thread for sure, agreed.
 

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you forgot plan C, do plan B and customers Say "F that I ll get a 911". Lay off employees.

This is a funny thread for sure, agreed.
Thats the great thing about the country we live in. If you dont like the way a certain business is doing "business," setup shop and become their competition.
 

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The fact that you think its unfair that some can afford a GT500 with ADM and choose to do so is
your socialism angle. All ADM haters are either resentful as hell they can't afford something or they have this idea that we should all be able to afford it and all have one. The part socialists miss, I earned my money legally and can spend it however I choose.

Look up the word earned

"to receive as return for effort and especially for work done or services rendered" a handout is not earned.

The other idea is that either charging a ADM or paying one is some sort of moral issue. That could not be more ridiculous and illogical, at least in this country
Hello; Interesting. I read thru my post again. I did not use the term unfair nor anything close to it. How you took it that way is a mystery. I also worked for what I have. I know what the word earned is from life experiences. I did more than one job many times. I saved and paid my own way. I did not get on any programs where someone else paid for my stuff. No handouts for me. Never been on any sort of dole unless you count a pension I worked out over decades. Thing is having a pension after decades of work was the deal I made. I put in the time and now have a pension.
But i think I get it. Any who disagree get labeled with an ugly term.

If you earn the money as I did then it is your choice as to how you spend it. I simply have chosen to not pay ADM + so far in my life. I could pay cash for more than one of the cars discussed in this thread ($150K) but do not want to. Most of my stance comes from decades of dickering for a better deal. I have always tried to get a good deal and in the past have been able to get discounts off MSRP.
I did walk away from some new Mustangs during the last three years simply because the dealers would not give the discount I wanted. They knew, as I knew, someone would eventually walk in and pay over MSRP. I lost out on having those cars. I do without. May be the world has moved on to cite Stephen King a bit and I will never have a special Mustang. Thing is, for me to be comfortable I want a good car and a decent deal.

Here is another way to look at it. That I do not get into a MSRP + bidding war means that I am not part of the trend which had driven up the cost of the cars you love. I would like to have one of the special Mustangs but not enough to pay the extra. So, I quit shopping for them. Decided to go for a base GT that I can drive every day and, in the rain, if I wish. I do not track race nor drag race. The base GT is more than powerful enough for the public roads. Covid has messed up even that market for a time.

Last bit. I understand why dealers charge extra over MSRP. They make more money. I have no problem if you want to pay the extra money. I likely own some things you are not interested in spending money on. Not a moral issue. If I wanted a particular car badly enough, I would pay the cost. I simply do not want to pay over MSRP. My choice.
 

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Someone recently made a statement on this thread to the effect of ā€œno one has ever regretted buying a GT500ā€, which seemed a bit over the top to me. So, I wandered over to FordGT500.com to see whether that was actually true. Lo and behold, it does seem to be an accurate statement. People say that they love these cars beyond what I would have expected based on my perceived limitations of the vehicle (rear wheel drive, front engine, and mass manufactured by Ford). I then looked into the locally available inventory and I was surprised to see how many are currently available for sale, how expensive they are, and how many pricey options you can get (carbon fiber track pack, heritage edition, etc.).

What Iā€™ve learned from this whole experience is that:

1. There are more people than I would have expected who are highly emotionally invested in seeing a relatively high volume, depreciating asset only increase in price. Heck, I have a lot of assets, real and otherwise, that are poised to take a huge dip in value over the next year or so. I just buckle up and get ready; no need to argue about it, especially with people who donā€™t even own the same assets, because it will either happen or it wonā€™t.

2. GT500 owners seem to view themselves like Jaguar owners when I was younger. Kind of surprising since the idea of a Mustang to me is a hillbilly car that is really fast and fun for the money, but I guess Iā€™m not as young as I once was and life has changed. Iā€™ll even admit that I could only realistically afford a base GT500 based on how expensive they have become.

3. Folks with money seem to have a real disdain for those they perceive to have less. Iā€™m not sure if this is because being rich isnā€™t all that fulfilling or if people like me who are still in their thirties with comfortable six figure incomes but arenā€™t yet fully established are that clueless (maybe both). Folks with money also seem to feel they earned it without any help or advantages from others. I can only speak to my experience of coming out of poverty that most rich folks had a lot of help. Case in point is my brother in law who is a multimillionaire in his thirties. Iā€™ve always went to better schools where I outperformed him, had better jobs, and have worked much harder. His parents have paid his way through life though so heā€™s had virtually zero expenses. Heā€™s saved almost all of the lower amount heā€™s earned, and Iā€™ve had to actually pay my way. Going to school with a bunch of people who went to Ivy League schools and seeing the advantages they had that I didnā€™t has also skewed my perspective.

4. If you donā€™t want to deal with ā€œGT guysā€ or worse, people like me who donā€™t currently have a Mustang, thereā€™s a great forum over there at FordGT500.com that I will never accidentally find myself posting in, unless I buy one.

5. Finally, thanks. I have learned that GT500s are more special than I would have expected based on user experiences. Iā€™ve also taken away a lot of motivation from this to keep going so that I never have to deal with someone treating me like this in life again.
 

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Folks with money seem to have a real disdain for those they perceive to have less.
Not everyone is like this. Acquiring wealth can be humbling, like you have a responsibility to pay it back, through actions and charity, leaving things better than you found it. It's a mixed bag. You worked hard, saved and want to enjoy it, but at the same time you want to do what you can to pull others up.

being rich isnā€™t all that fulfilling
Once most have their basic needs met (which can vary widely) having more of anything doesn't really move the fun meter.

Folks with money also seem to feel they earned it without any help or advantages from others.
Again, not everyone is like this. I've gotten a few lucky breaks here and there, being at the right place, the right time. Wang Chung cosmic shit. Whatever you want to call it. Some get help directly, others indirectly. Life. Sometimes shit just happens.

people like me who are still in their thirties with comfortable six figure incomes but arenā€™t yet fully established
I've always lived a simple life and lived modestly. Playing the long game. For me, the pleasure was the anticipation and the wait. Keeping head down. The grind. Eventually looking up and exercising options.

and Iā€™ve had to actually pay my way
I'd think a poll of forum members, regardless of the car they own, would find most of us took this path. Ya, some had things gifted to them, but most of us it was a combination of hard work, modest living, luck breaks and time.

keep going so that I never have to deal with someone treating me like this in life again.
1. Find a job you enjoy.
2. Never stop educating yourself.
3. Save and invest for the future.

IMO, if you're mindful of these three things, it allows you more options, giving you greater opportunities throughout your life.
 

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Window sticker list msrp at 89k, they are ASKING 129k .
I am sure someone will pay it. 40k over what Ford thinks it is worth.
I thought they did this to keep the eye candy in the showroom, And I am sure that WAS the original idea behind doing this. But the numb nuts started buying halo vehicles at these nuts prices without even blinking.
This stupidity will be what kills of the American performance vehicles. As they are not "just" doing this to the HALO cars they are doing it to GT's In many markets.
 

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Free money begats all kinds of evil. The rich don't care, they'll just peel off the hundreds. But for everyone else the value metric will reassert itself with a vengeance.

Are there 20000 individuals willing to flip their cars to each other at ever greater prices? Perhaps. If not all of a sudden the greater fool basis of ownership is going to implode.
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