V8 potential problems coming? [ADMIN WARNING: *** NO POLITICS ***]

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You missed the point my friend. Of course it is the same engine, but there are quality concerns when built by pissed off employees.
So your concerned about the factory?

I am sure Ford would retool the factory and keep people. Maybe not everyone.

 

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Yup, this is what else I learned. Unlucky employees will get notified they have a 15 minute meeting scheduled with their boss. They are told the bad news, then are escorted out the door.
A large company I worked for in the past would occasionally have large layoffs. Everyone on the production floor was holding his breath as the superintendent brought one person after another into his office all day, which was a miserable experience for both people in the room. Then, just as the cherry on top, his boss laid the super off at 4pm, after he'd spent all day doing the dirty work.

One of my peers in the engineering department got caught up in one. He was on vacation the day the layoffs were announced. They called him at home and had him come in to get cut.
 
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So your concerned about the factory?

I am sure Ford would retool the factory and keep people. Maybe not everyone.
No, I think what the OP is saying is, our V8s will go along the same assembly lines BUT with more pissed off, distracted, disgruntled employees scared of pending layoffs. Hence assembly line quality, sealants, torque specs, etc. will suffer. I'd guess this will happen, but hopefully Ford QC will scrutinize more carefully. Who knows. Good point OP.
 

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The current 5.0L V8 has been around for a long and has had a ton of R&D already put through it. The next generation mustang GT will carry over the same engine maybe with new features. Then eventually they will switch to electric.

Ford is probably not developing a brand new V8 anyways.
dude they just went back to pushrods. they're making a new 6.8 for the mustang right now.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/37374...od-v8-coming-to-2022-ford-mustang-f150-report

this is all bullshit hysteria and the jackasses laying people off to pave the way for electrics are making a serious mistake.
 

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No, I think what the OP is saying is, our V8s will go along the same assembly lines BUT with more pissed off, distracted, disgruntled employees scared of pending layoffs. Hence assembly line quality, sealants, torque specs, etc. will suffer. I'd guess this will happen, but hopefully Ford QC will scrutinize more carefully. Who knows. Good point OP.
It depends on if Ford plans to keep the factory going and retool it for electric cars. Dodge is doing this with the charger/challenger factory. But yea if Ford plans to layoff/fire most of the mustang factory workers once the car is discontinued. I won`t want to buy a car made from that factory lol.

Its a good point to bring up, but we should jump to any conclusions.
 


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Let's accept that the generation 6 will be the last non-soft-washed V8.
Isn't that alone enough to know?
I'm already bothered by the GPF, which you fortunately don't have.
Now imagine the whole thing as a mild hybrid with start-stop and cylinder deactivation...
No, thanks!

My wife is a salaried manager in MP&L at Ford, a close friend she's worked with for 15+ year's was laid off out of the blue yesterday.
A large company I worked for in the past would occasionally have large layoffs. Everyone on the production floor were holding his breath as the super brought one person after another into his office all day, which was a miserable experience for both people in the room. Then, just as the cherry on top, his boss laid him off at 4pm, after he'd spent all day doing the dirty work.
You guys seem to have really shitty labor laws over there... 😲
Works councils and unions could also help to change things (if the labor laws are suitable).

It is very difficult to fire someone in my country after more than 15 years without personal misconduct (assuming the company is healthy). The employer can offer a resignation agreement, but this would include an attractive sum, but you don't have to accept it.

Would you call that socialism? 🤔 🙃
 
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Would you call that socialism? 🤔 🙃
Yup. Collective bargaining here you, you can negotiate wages and benefits, that's it. The non-unionized car companies here building cars seem to do better than the unionized ones, don't have to be a genius to figure that out. The govt (NIOSH / OSHA) already have all the workplace safety regs in place, no reason for a union anymore, other than pad the pockets of union mob bosses.
 

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https://media.ford.com/content/ford...lead-americas-shift-to-electric-vehicles.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/22/ford-to-cut-3000-jobs-primarily-in-north-america.html

“Building this future requires changing and reshaping virtually all aspects of the way we have operated for more than a century. It requires focus, clarity and speed. And, as we have discussed in recent months, it means redeploying resources and addressing our cost structure, which is uncompetitive versus traditional and new competitors,” the message reads.

Ford’s cost-cutting actions are the latest in a series of efforts by companies to reduce expenses and employee head count amid fears of a potential recession or economic softening, with inflation hovering near a 40-year high.

The cuts, which were first reported Monday by Automotive News, come less than a month after Farley told analysts that “we absolutely have too many people in certain places, no doubt about it.”

The reductions are occurring across Ford’s businesses, which it split into two units earlier this year to separate its electric and internal combustion engine businesses."

I’m only qualified to speculate. From an assembly line worker to an engineer, it’s one more stressor in an environment dealing with like issues for the last several years. I’d think quality would suffer in general, not just the V8.
 

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When V8 replacement blocks and parts start to go scarce - then worry.

Currently the aftermarket is not only supplying the current modern day car hobbies, but the aftermarket has been supplying V8 blocks and parts for everything from the Model T era through the 50's, 60's, 70's +++....

This EV stuff isn't going to cease the V8 - or any ICE engine for that matter. There's too many of them around in use not just for daily transportation, but for doing the jobs an EV can't OR where an EV can't be logistically sustained like ICE to do the same job... let alone daily transportation AND the huge Hobbyist following of the V8 and other ICE derivatives.

They may try to stop it at the vehicle manufacturing level for new automobiles - but there's no way they're going to get the V8 (or any ICE) completely off the streets or out of households.
 
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Ford isn't alone in taking this action. I work in a completely different industry and we also experienced some significant reductions in senior white collar positions over the past year. Companies see recession signs and are trying to get ahead of it. While I agree that they are shifting resources away from ICE development, I am also sure this is more about cutting costs than anything else.
 

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You guys seem to have really shitty labor laws over there... 😲
Works councils and unions could also help to change things (if the labor laws are suitable).

It is very difficult to fire someone in my country after more than 15 years without personal misconduct (assuming the company is healthy).
Since we're talking about large scale layoffs at companies that are having fiscal issues, your assumption doesn't seem to apply in this case.


It is very difficult to fire someone in my country after more than 15 years without personal misconduct.

Would you call that socialism? 🤔 🙃
I'd certainly call it a reason not to take business advice from the Germans.

Probably wouldn't want to take energy policy advice from them either, for that matter.
 

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We all know that European communists are trying to fuck regular people over, that has been going on for years. It's easier to control people when you threaten them to shut down heat. Wait until November, it will all start...
 

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It's very sad that all these people are getting laid off. I'm very sorry and I feel for them.

This nonsense is putting the west in a very bad shape. Decisions are being made on this environmentalism dogma that is not really helping the environment situation at all.
I'm all in for helping the environment but it must be done with science and practicality.
When decisions are made upon faith that's what you get.

Now we are moving away from much more energy-dense fuels (oil, gas, nuclear) to less energy-dense and unreliable ones (wind, solar).
The last time in the history of man that we reversed our path of progress it was the dark ages.

It's a very complex matter and this is not the right place, but fellas, the good times are gone until the west shakes of a lot of this ideology (and I stop here).

Edit: just want to say the here in Europe being poor and miserable is very cool, because misery is ecofriendly.
You use a motorbike on a public road? You pollute so you are bad. You use a miserable electric kick scooter on a densely trafficked and fast road? You cool.
 

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You guys seem to have really shitty labor laws over there... 😲
Works councils and unions could also help to change things (if the labor laws are suitable).

It is very difficult to fire someone in my country after more than 15 years without personal misconduct (assuming the company is healthy). The employer can offer a resignation agreement, but this would include an attractive sum, but you don't have to accept it.

Would you call that socialism? 🤔 🙃
Sounds like the US isn't very worker friendly. In Canada someone with 15-18 years into a company (especially if older in age) would get at least 2 years salary plus (usually in a lump sum payment). In the auto industry you may even get additional funds to help reskill. Leaving a long tenure at a big company in Canada is usually a win-fall for people who haven't over extended themselves.
 

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Let's accept that the generation 6 will be the last non-soft-washed V8.
Isn't that alone enough to know?
I'm already bothered by the GPF, which you fortunately don't have.
Now imagine the whole thing as a mild hybrid with start-stop and cylinder deactivation...
No, thanks!



You guys seem to have really shitty labor laws over there... 😲
Works councils and unions could also help to change things (if the labor laws are suitable).

It is very difficult to fire someone in my country after more than 15 years without personal misconduct (assuming the company is healthy). The employer can offer a resignation agreement, but this would include an attractive sum, but you don't have to accept it.

Would you call that socialism? 🤔 🙃
Sounds like the US isn't very worker friendly. In Canada someone with 15-18 years into a company (especially if older in age) would get at least 2 years salary plus (usually in a lump sum payment). In the auto industry you may even get additional funds to help reskill. Leaving a long tenure at a big company in Canada is usually a win-fall for people who haven't over extended themselves.
The USA is not a place that is fair and plenty of other countries offer friendly laws for workers. But it has its pros and cons of course.

I know of a Indian engineer who was offered a job at Sweden car company Koenigsegg. But he took a job at Ford because the pay was so much better.
 

 
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