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You take home 2K and only have 170 taken out? What planet do you live on. My last paycheck had a total of 40% deducted.
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What's wrong with keeping your fellow citizens from dying? You're also mad at the wrong thing. If the US was like literally every other developed country in the world and had universal healthcare that figure would be cut down and you wouldn't have to lose however many 100s of dollars/month your healthcare premium is.

Your second point is evident of a mental health problem so I'm not sure where you're trying to go with that.
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So what should all of the people on minimum wage do? Keep working 3 or 4 half-time jobs and never get anywhere?

You sound like all of the boomers talking about how back in their day they made $3/hour and they were happy with it because they were able to pay for college and buy a house on that while at the same time completely ignoring that college and housing costs have skyrocketed and that $3/hour is actually over $20/ hour in 2021 money.

Or maybe CEO's could stop being stingy POS's. Look at Papa John "Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter says that Obamacare will cost the company $0.11 to $0.14 per pizza, or $0.15 to $0.20 cents per order"
It's possible to pay employees way more than $15/hour. Costco's average pay is almost twice what Walmart's is. There are a few reasons but a major one is that the CEO of Costco isn't a multi billionaire like the Walton family is.
I really like having discussions with people who hold views / opinions that differ from my own. I've had people change my mind on issues as well - and others have told me the same after talking to me. The thing is - not once during any of these discussions did anyone take personal pot shots at the other person.

See I don't know you. It's the internet. Instead of just digesting what I wrote - you immediately jumped to putting words in my mouth, then you insulted me. Do you honestly think anyone is EVER going to take you seriously in a discussion about anything where you result to personal insults and immediately jump the shark? They won't. I don't.

And odds are you don't care. Why? Because I don't agree with you - so immediately you assume that I'm not as smart as you, or maybe I cam from a privileged background, or (insert your tired assumption here)....

So I'm going to ASSUME you didn't do any research on what I state about automation did you?

Stop comparing wages / money in a today vs. 30 years ago manner. It assumes way too many things in direct comparisons, without taking into the massive changes in quality of life and lifestyle of today versus years ago.

Start here:

https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/minimum-wage-plan-could-increase-costs-by-280-percent

Don't want to read it? A $15 minimum wage would FORCE small businesses to reduce employees. Remember, employers don't just pay an employee's wages, there are taxes and other overhead there as well.

Here's an excerpt for you:

"A working paper from professors Joseph Sabia of San Diego State University and Richard Burkhauser from Cornell University suggests that increasing the minimum wage is a poor way to deal with the problem of poverty.

Analyzing Census data, the professors show that, "Under 15 percent of workers who would be affected by a $10.10 federal minimum wage live in poor households. Nearly two-thirds live in households with incomes of over two times the poverty line and approximately 40 percent live in households with incomes over three times the poverty line."



In fact, a $15 minimum wage would likely not even affect the poverty rate in the the U.S. In reality it would make it HARDER for people to find a job - as the $15min wage would REDUCE available jobs.

Read more here: https://econofact.org/employment-and-poverty

What about those states the boosted their minimum wage? Surely, they have shown benefit from it?

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Info is from the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta.

A great economist once said "There are no solutions; only trade-offs."

Minimum wage jobs BY DESIGN are low-skill jobs. They aren't meant to be careers. There is no getting around that.

FACT: The vast majority of people in this country who live in poverty don't work. And a $15min wage would actually REDUCE the number of available jobs. How does that help people looking for jobs?

Because I disagree with you on this subject - you likely immediately (you already did actually) lump me in as someone who doesn't care, never had to struggle etc etc. And you'd be wrong. But you don't want to hear that. It doesn't fall into your narrow guidelines of what you BELIEVE to be right.
 

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Is this a non-sarcastic "just stop being poor"?

Welfare has a <1% fraud rate. Spend 5 minutes and try and actually plan out how a poor person can "learn a useful skill" if they're working multiple jobs and trying to support a family. It's impossible to plan a few years out if you're living paycheck to paycheck and don't know how you'll survive the next month,
Your link is just about Food Stamps. But you love that "less than 1%" statement. From your article:

" The total cost of the SNAP benefits disbursed in 2016 was $66.5 billion "

So 1% is 66 Million dollars. Chump change, am I right?

But you SPECIFICALLY stated "welfare". So that would not only include food stamps, but what about Medicare? Medicaid? Social Security? Disability? Unemployment?

Medicaid is managed by states, but funded by both Federal and State funds. Here's some fun facts:

$37 BILLION in improper medicaid payments in fiscal year 2017 (GAO)

In 2017, Oregon found 47,600 people enrolled in their Medicaid program who weren't eligible. Accounting for $88 MILLION.

In Massachusetts, from 3/17-3/18 - auditors found $211 MILLION in "unallowable, questionable, duplicative, unauthorized or potentially fraudulent billing"

That's not even the tip of the iceberg.

You want to entrust the government (state and Federal) with MORE tax dollars - to build up programs to help people. The same governments that waste BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of tax dollars every year.

You can continue to believe what you want....so my last input on this discussion is a conversation I had years ago with a man I met smoking a cigarette outside a Federal Courthouse. He was there to see his brother become a citizen.

They were both from Kenya. These were his words...

"..you know what makes this country great? Poor people here have a cell phone, a car, a place to live.....in my country poor people starve to death."

This is a guy who came here with nothing. Worked multiple jobs and saved his money. Living BELOW his means to save up enough money to help his brother immigrate and become a citizen. When I spoke with him he had worked his way up to the shift manager at night of a McDonald's (he started at the lowest position) and was getting ready to finish his real estate license during the day.

Why can he do it and not someone born here?
 

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This thread is triggering me so hard right now lmao. Maybe it's because I just had to sit through four hours of Inclusivity training at work where they told us we're all sexist, bigoted, racist, white devil's. And we're no longer allowed to say "guys" at work because it's not gender neutral and people are offended apparently. There was like a full hour of "micro aggressions" we're all guilty of that now we have to avoid or risk getting fired. We have to ask someone what name they want to be called before we call them anything, regardless of whatever name they put on their employment forms. Because calling a transgendered person their given name is a micro aggression. Then I log off work today and turn on the local news and our idiot governor laid off thousands of state employees due to budget cuts. Then the very next story was about the same governor granting several hundred thousand dollars to mural artists to paint BLM messages and murals all over Denver in places they set on fire this summer (which tax payers are still paying to fix). Although maybe they won't set it on fire again if it has their mural painted on it.... And now people accepting unemployment didn't read a single thing they signed and are upset about it??? I mean what in the actual frick is going on?! Is this the goddamn Twilight Zone??? I just.... As time marches on I recognize society and reality less and less....
Everyone is offended by everything its getting to the point of being afraid to even talk which is what they want. How did the alien in stargate control an entire planet and keep it under his rule? He banned talking and writing. we are headed that way but instead of it being banned we just wont bother to talk because anything said will offened someone and we might loose a job.

I worked a cashier a few years back and i once said wow all these crack heads in here stealing gets old. A guy walks up and says that what I just said was offence and I need to watch what I say because he use to be on crack. Then just the other day I was at a dollar general talking to my friend who runs it. A guy was stealing paint they stopped him got the paint back... he the thief (cause basically you cant do shit about thieves cause police wont come or even press charges any more). goes out to the parking lot and calls dollar general corporate to complain that employees were being unsafe buy chasseing out and confronting shop lifters. Corporate calls my friend and tells them they are no longer allowed to chase or confront shop lifters. The Fu*&ING guy comes back 2 days later and steals more paint. The world is just with no hope. it does not pay to try or even get two shits anymore. The jerks, meth heads and criminals are winning. the idiots are winning. the lazy are winning. if you try at your job you are punished if you are a lazy shit you can do anything because people are afraid to fire them cause they will be accused of something.
 

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What does you having the right to pursue happiness have to do with not letting people die of the streets of America?

Please enlighten me on your reasons, preferably in a way that doesn't boil down to a generic "Socialism is bad cuz change is difficult". You mentioned being from Kentucky, the 2nd most welfare dependent state. That state wouldn't exist without some form of Socialism.
Hello; You had two distinct paragraphs in that post I replied to. I was replying to the one about pursuit of happiness, not the one about people dying in the streets. In your statement above you conflated your two statements in an inaccurate way.

Hello; Just to be clear this response is about Kentucky. Yes KY in in financial trouble. One thing they did was to rob the teachers pension plans at least twice that I know of. We teachers had paid in plenty and when the legislature did not have the funds for some program or other they took some from the pension fund. They gave us an IOU with the promise to make good on the IOU's. Same sort of thing the Feds do with SS. The Federal SS trust fund is filled with IOU's and not saved money. The debt is to be paid in both cases by future working taxpayers.

Yes KY is a big welfare dependent state. I get to see it the first of every month now when check day rolls around. You do not go to a store on check day if you can help it. I cannot spell out exactly why KY has so many on welfare but have some notions. I could tell you about the students who only showed up from time to time and did not study nor try in my classes. I would ask what they were doing and the answer was often enough a judge was about to cut off their check if they missed more school. So they start showing up and when they get bored they start trouble. Trouble I can not do much about because all my discipline measures have been taken away. So they do not get an education and they prevent other from a chance to get an education.
As others have stated in this thread, some live on social welfare as a way of life. I guess you do not believe this, but it is so. I have spoken to welfare office workers. Their way of keeping a job is to find "clients" and sign them up on every program possible. The more clients they have the more secure their own positions
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I know a fellow who did very well in the furniture business. He was a sort of middle man type who eventually made it big enough to have a large fine home with acreage, a BMW or two, and some rental properties. He somehow wound up on KY's Medicaid health plan.

The other reasons will be guesses based on things I have already stated. As the decades passed my ability to provide a good education environment in the schools where I taught was eroded. I can get into this more but will for now will just say a child in KY can get a high school diploma at graduation and be illiterate.
Then there is the "war on coal" which has been going on for some time. When you damage one of the biggest businesses in a state it makes a difference.
 

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Everyone is offended by everything its getting to the point of being afraid to even talk which is what they want. How did the alien in stargate control an entire planet and keep it under his rule? He banned talking and writing. we are headed that way but instead of it being banned we just wont bother to talk because anything said will offened someone and we might loose a job.

I worked a cashier a few years back and i once said wow all these crack heads in here stealing gets old. A guy walks up and says that what I just said was offence and I need to watch what I say because he use to be on crack. Then just the other day I was at a dollar general talking to my friend who runs it. A guy was stealing paint they stopped him got the paint back... he the thief (cause basically you cant do shit about thieves cause police wont come or even press charges any more). goes out to the parking lot and calls dollar general corporate to complain that employees were being unsafe buy chasseing out and confronting shop lifters. Corporate calls my friend and tells them they are no longer allowed to chase or confront shop lifters. The Fu*&ING guy comes back 2 days later and steals more paint. The world is just with no hope. it does not pay to try or even get two shits anymore. The jerks, meth heads and criminals are winning. the idiots are winning. the lazy are winning. if you try at your job you are punished if you are a lazy shit you can do anything because people are afraid to fire them cause they will be accused of something.
Yeah I always tell myself I'll be homeless before I go back to any type of public-facing job again. The only way I'd work with the public again is if I had kids that depended on me. I used to run a bookstore and the stories I could tell you.... mannn..... There are many like you just described. But some of the best ones I have:
We used to sell on Amazon, and on expensive items I always required signature upon delivery. That doesn't matter though. I had more than a few customers immediately dispute their orders as never being delivered AFTER they signed for the package. Amazon refunded them every single time. And if you tried to fight it with Amazon, they would ding your Amazon score. Like, just asking Amazon to investigate cost you ratings. You literally had no recourse. I had one person that bought over a thousand dollars in books, then disputed every order, even though they signed for the delivery every time. Amazon just kept refunding them.
Then, I had a woman who called me in the middle of a rain storm asking for directions to get to my store. I told her where we're located and she said, "I EFFING KNOW THAT JUST TELL ME HOW TO EFFING GET THERE!!!!". I was like, oookayyy well where are you? Because if you know where I am then I'm struggling to understand what the problem is? She literally says, "I DON'T EFFING KNOW WHERE I AM!! GOD YOU'RE USELESS". Then hung up on me. I thought whatever, that's that. No, she called corporate and complained about how I wasn't helpful and she, allegedly, walked for hours in the rain trying to find us and ended up getting bronchitis and was threatening to sue. My director didn't yell at me though, he just was defeated at that point.
Last batshit insane story: We had (a different) bad rain storm and it flooded my store. The entire road in front of my store was under water, like scenes from hurricane disasters - cars floating down the road, etc. Despite the obvious disaster area, I still put a sign on the door that said we're temporarily closed, because people are indeed that effing stupid. Well I had the door cracked open as we were dumping buckets of water outside. I turned around and this random guy is standing in the store looking around at merch like nothing was going on. Shocked, I was like, sir, we are closed. He was like, "why?, your sign says you're open 7am to 7pm". I was like, "if I could direct your attention to the sign next to it that says 'temporarily closed'............" Well, he left in a fit and proceeded to leave us a bad yelp review, that corporate called me on and demanded to know why I was kicking customer's out of the store. I had to send them pictures to prove the store was unsafe to be in before they let me off the hook.
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Not our problem they became dead beats. I’m sorry but I don’t see why we have to shelter, shelter them, feed them. They literally chose to become this way and live this way.

People in this thread are completely correct. You give them all this stuff free, they aren’t going to change, they will trash it. They’d rather be homeless than flip a burger or pick up trash as long as people give them money for drugs at end of day.

Being outside high for free is better than working any job, having any responsibility. It really is a lifestyle to them, and I have zero interest in any of my tax money going to provide for them wasted efforts. They are who they are, they are what they want to be.

Imo, society was better before we started caring so much, now more people want to migrate to these homeless tent cities. It’s a social thing, “free” life.

I read about people just dropping life to go shoot up and hang with their homeless friends like it’s some weird ass purpose. We are encouraging it by giving them so much!

Drug addicts and homeless people dare I say, get treated better medically than those actually struggling to hold onto insurance.

Tell me why addicts get free healthcare? Yet real working people basically get squashed, if you are just a dead beat you get free health insurance too.
Agree with you on most accounts. Another example is when I was in Afghanistan and all the locals in their mud huts they were more than happy to live in. They didn't want us there in any shape or form, they wanted to be left alone not "helped". Just like I wouldn't want someone coming around and trying to force me to drive a Prius because it's better at X, Y, or Z. First hand experiences usually shape how we feel about things. As far as any sort of "fix", I'm thankful I'm not and never will be in a position to have to make those choices. I stand firm with you in that nearly everything animal, human, probably insect will go for the free meal. Thankful I wasn't born into a worse situation.
 

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I really like having discussions with people who hold views / opinions that differ from my own. I've had people change my mind on issues as well - and others have told me the same after talking to me. The thing is - not once during any of these discussions did anyone take personal pot shots at the other person.

See I don't know you. It's the internet. Instead of just digesting what I wrote - you immediately jumped to putting words in my mouth, then you insulted me. Do you honestly think anyone is EVER going to take you seriously in a discussion about anything where you result to personal insults and immediately jump the shark? They won't. I don't.

And odds are you don't care. Why? Because I don't agree with you - so immediately you assume that I'm not as smart as you, or maybe I cam from a privileged background, or (insert your tired assumption here)....

So I'm going to ASSUME you didn't do any research on what I state about automation did you?

Stop comparing wages / money in a today vs. 30 years ago manner. It assumes way too many things in direct comparisons, without taking into the massive changes in quality of life and lifestyle of today versus years ago.

Start here:

https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/minimum-wage-plan-could-increase-costs-by-280-percent

Don't want to read it? A $15 minimum wage would FORCE small businesses to reduce employees. Remember, employers don't just pay an employee's wages, there are taxes and other overhead there as well.

Here's an excerpt for you:

"A working paper from professors Joseph Sabia of San Diego State University and Richard Burkhauser from Cornell University suggests that increasing the minimum wage is a poor way to deal with the problem of poverty.

Analyzing Census data, the professors show that, "Under 15 percent of workers who would be affected by a $10.10 federal minimum wage live in poor households. Nearly two-thirds live in households with incomes of over two times the poverty line and approximately 40 percent live in households with incomes over three times the poverty line."



In fact, a $15 minimum wage would likely not even affect the poverty rate in the the U.S. In reality it would make it HARDER for people to find a job - as the $15min wage would REDUCE available jobs.

Read more here: https://econofact.org/employment-and-poverty

What about those states the boosted their minimum wage? Surely, they have shown benefit from it?

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Info is from the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta.

A great economist once said "There are no solutions; only trade-offs."

Minimum wage jobs BY DESIGN are low-skill jobs. They aren't meant to be careers. There is no getting around that.

FACT: The vast majority of people in this country who live in poverty don't work. And a $15min wage would actually REDUCE the number of available jobs. How does that help people looking for jobs?

Because I disagree with you on this subject - you likely immediately (you already did actually) lump me in as someone who doesn't care, never had to struggle etc etc. And you'd be wrong. But you don't want to hear that. It doesn't fall into your narrow guidelines of what you BELIEVE to be right.
FACT: People making minimum wage while working 40+ hours a week cannot support themselves financially and that is a result of the minimum wage staying stagnant while the cost of literally everything is skyrocketing. Also half of these jobs are things that I would consider careers and it's fucked up that many of them can't have financial stability for the work that they do.

If you're getting mad that unemployment offers livable financial support while working 40h/week at minimum wage then you're angry at the wrong thing.

And I am aware that there are overheard costs for businesses when it comes to hiring employees multi-million dollar companies can easily afford a minimum wage increase except that will hurt the company executives and shareholders which is completely unacceptable. I know that becomes difficult for smaller companies and it's something that needs to be addressed. Unfortunately it most likely won't be unless our tax code gets rewritten.
 

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Hello; You had two distinct paragraphs in that post I replied to. I was replying to the one about pursuit of happiness, not the one about people dying in the streets. In your statement above you conflated your two statements in an inaccurate way.

Hello; Just to be clear this response is about Kentucky. Yes KY in in financial trouble. One thing they did was to rob the teachers pension plans at least twice that I know of. We teachers had paid in plenty and when the legislature did not have the funds for some program or other they took some from the pension fund. They gave us an IOU with the promise to make good on the IOU's. Same sort of thing the Feds do with SS. The Federal SS trust fund is filled with IOU's and not saved money. The debt is to be paid in both cases by future working taxpayers.

Yes KY is a big welfare dependent state. I get to see it the first of every month now when check day rolls around. You do not go to a store on check day if you can help it. I cannot spell out exactly why KY has so many on welfare but have some notions. I could tell you about the students who only showed up from time to time and did not study nor try in my classes. I would ask what they were doing and the answer was often enough a judge was about to cut off their check if they missed more school. So they start showing up and when they get bored they start trouble. Trouble I can not do much about because all my discipline measures have been taken away. So they do not get an education and they prevent other from a chance to get an education.
As others have stated in this thread, some live on social welfare as a way of life. I guess you do not believe this, but it is so. I have spoken to welfare office workers. Their way of keeping a job is to find "clients" and sign them up on every program possible. The more clients they have the more secure their own positions
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I know a fellow who did very well in the furniture business. He was a sort of middle man type who eventually made it big enough to have a large fine home with acreage, a BMW or two, and some rental properties. He somehow wound up on KY's Medicaid health plan.

The other reasons will be guesses based on things I have already stated. As the decades passed my ability to provide a good education environment in the schools where I taught was eroded. I can get into this more but will for now will just say a child in KY can get a high school diploma at graduation and be illiterate.
Then there is the "war on coal" which has been going on for some time. When you damage one of the biggest businesses in a state it makes a difference.
You still have yet to go into your reasons for why social programs are bad.

And I'm aware that Social Security is filled with IOU's. Boomers raided that shit while at the same time voting to drastically cut the taxes that had filled it up. What else was supposed to happen?

IMO Boomers have already cashed in on their SS benefits but of course they want more since they're entitled leaches that destroyed what made America so prosperous for them but they still want more.

Also if the "Fiscally Conservative" group hadn't of gutted the IRS and basically made it a policy for them to not go after rich people then maybe your furniture business friend would get caught but here we are.
 

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My CEO folded the company in December, told us end of Jan, then didn't give us paperwork till end of Feb, then didn't pay us for Feb till yesterday.

I'm tossing the 50K/6mo contract he's offering in his face and taking unemployment while I job search. Utterly fuck that guy.
 

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I'll blame the Boomer generation too.

We coddled our kids and now we are left with a bunch of crybabies who don't want to work.
 

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Imo, society was better before we started caring so much, now more people want to migrate to these homeless tent cities. It’s a social thing, “free” life.

I read about people just dropping life to go shoot up and hang with their homeless friends like it’s some weird ass purpose. We are encouraging it by giving them so much!
Sounds like you're just describing the 60's.
 

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I'll blame the Boomer generation too.

We coddled our kids and now we are left with a bunch of crybabies who don't want to work.
I always found that funny. The Boomer generation always complain about Millenials, but look who raised them? It wasn't Millenials that created the "participation trophy" it was Boomers, Millenials were just kids, they couldn't tell people what awards to give out. Boomers were the ones telling their kids(millennials) they were "smart' and "special" making them feel entitled.

Boomers LOVE to bitch about Millenials, but Boomers literally created the environment that instilled in them what they hate seeing.
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