Unemployment taxes... how do you not know?

[Whitest Russian]

are you serious.

THEY DONT DESERVE HOUSING PAID FOR BY US. NO ONE DOES


We already have DRUG zones, where junkie can go do heroine etc, overdose, and get revived by an onsite medic with zero drug charges or punishment, they had them started a few years ago. PAID FOR BY TAX of course.Thats already too much money wasted. Let alone housing them, to let them continue on their self destruction..

God dude. really?

oh I think these are the sites supporting these drug zones. disgusting. Needle exchanges, medics, free healthcare for addicts.

First of all there is way less money being spent on all of that then you think. 8% of your taxes goes to welfare with a fraud rate of < 1%. Yes it sucks when people abuse social programs but you're honestly being mad at the wrong things if you think tax dollars are being wasted.

I'd imagine that you, like most people would get bored out of their minds just sitting around with nothing to do. During covid I spent a few months without any real tasking and that was the worst months of my professional career.

To test your theory, go find some random homeless person and let him/her live in your spare bedroom. Let us know how this works out after a couple of weeks.

I know you're trying to be outlandish you do realize that just providing housing is the equivalent of putting a band-aid on a broken arm, right? If someone is homeless on the street chances are they have some sort of mental health problem that needs to be addressed.

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[sk47]

We all pay into Social Security, Health care, gov't housing, food stamps, etc. Not many of us get the benefits of it.

Hello; Again what you post is not always true. I worked in KY as a public school teacher and put in enough years to draw a pension. KY structured their pension plan so that teachers did not pay into social security at all. I did work outside of the KY schools doing jobs in which I did pay into SS so by the time I was 65 I had enough quarters to draw from SS. I can tell about how the SS I now receive is less than what I qualify for, but such is another long sidetrack. So that is one way you are not correct. Not a bad oversight on your part as such cases can be lost in the multitudes of ways things work, but does show your tendency to make broad statements that cannot be backed up.
The other point is that we do not all pay into SS, health care, housing food stamps and other government programs. In fact only those who work and actually pay taxes do pay in for these things. It is my understanding there is a growing portion of the population in this category. Correct this if you can.

Now one last point. You say many do not get the benefits of these programs. True enough. I have only gotten a small SS check and Medicare, but none of the others. No food stamps in my life. No unemployment. No housing. I did not get anything until I reached 65 and was forced into Medicare.

 

[Shadow277]

To test your theory, go find some random homeless person and let him/her live in your spare bedroom. Let us know how this works out after a couple of weeks.

Everything was fine until he tried sleeping with my wife.

 

[Shadow277]

Hello; Again what you post is not always true. I worked in KY as a public school teacher and put in enough years to draw a pension. KY structured their pension plan so that teachers did not pay into social security at all. I did work outside of the KY schools doing jobs in which I did pay into SS so by the time I was 65 I had enough quarters to draw from SS. I can tell about how the SS I now receive is less than what I qualify for, but such is another long sidetrack. So that is one way you are not correct. Not a bad oversight on your part as such cases can be lost in the multitudes of ways things work, but does show your tendency to make broad statements that cannot be backed up.
The other point is that we do not all pay into SS, health care, housing food stamps and other government programs. In fact only those who work and actually pay taxes do pay in for these things. It is my understanding there is a growing portion of the population in this category. Correct this if you can.

Now one last point. You say many do not get the benefits of these programs. True enough. I have only gotten a small SS check and Medicare, but none of the others. No food stamps in my life. No unemployment. No housing. I did not get anything until I reached 65 and was forced into Medicare.

Kentucky boomers screwed the pension program. There's no money in it and to compensate, new teachers must work longer, pay more, and recieve less. Government taking control of social security doesn't work and it is the young who suffer.

 

[ice445]

First of all there is way less money being spent on all of that then you think. 8% of your taxes goes to welfare with a fraud rate of < 1%. Yes it sucks when people abuse social programs but you're honestly being mad at the wrong things if you think tax dollars are being wasted.

I'd imagine that you, like most people would get bored out of their minds just sitting around with nothing to do. During covid I spent a few months without any real tasking and that was the worst months of my professional career.



I know you're trying to be outlandish you do realize that just providing housing is the equivalent of putting a band-aid on a broken arm, right? If someone is homeless on the street chances are they have some sort of mental health problem that needs to be addressed.

You're not including medicaid and medicare in your figures which is another way the working class subsidizes the poor. Those three programs are by far the biggest drain on each yearly federal budget.

Also, most observable homeless are career homeless. They don't want help or shelter, they want to be independent, beg for money and do drugs and drink. The majority of homeless people that actually need help live out of their cars.

 

[Whitest Russian]

You're not including medicaid and medicare in your figures which is another way the working class subsidizes the poor. Those three programs are by far the biggest drain on each yearly federal budget.

Also, most observable homeless are career homeless. They don't want help or shelter, they want to be independent, beg for money and do drugs and drink. The majority of homeless people that actually need help live out of their cars.

What's wrong with keeping your fellow citizens from dying? You're also mad at the wrong thing. If the US was like literally every other developed country in the world and had universal healthcare that figure would be cut down and you wouldn't have to lose however many 100s of dollars/month your healthcare premium is.

Your second point is evident of a mental health problem so I'm not sure where you're trying to go with that.

 

[sk47]

Hello; This will be a slightly new direction in the thread but is related. There are at least two concepts mentioned in various posts. Two sides of the same thing. One side is the notion people need help with the necessities of life because they can only get minimum wage jobs. My question will be about how they wound up in such a situation. I think I know an answer.

As I have mentioned I taught in public K to 12 schools for over thirty years. The story I tell started decades ago. That being the standards of society changed over time with regard to a basic education. There was a time when a 12th grade education was good enough to step into productive jobs and folks who got such a diploma were for the most part properly educated. That still could be the case today even with the change in the way of job requirements. A person could learn enough in 13 years to qualify for available good jobs.

What has changed? At least two things in general, but with lots of branches. One was the notion of social promotion and it's side branches such as "everyone gets a trophy thinking". At one time the choice to just not bother to get an education was not acceptable in society. We got failing grades and were held back in grades if we failed. There was a stigma for failure. I for one did not want to be a failure so I worked at my education when I had other things I would rather be doing. With some exceptions many students now have been deciding they did not want to bother with the tedious tasks of doing homework and study. They were getting the same diplomas as those who do study and do the work, so why bother.
Of course when they graduate from high school without much in the way of basic skills they face a new and apparently not thought of problem. What skills do they offer in order to get a good wage? We know the answer.

The other main issue was the taking away of discipline in the schools. Where as in the past as a teacher I could have order in my classrooms, that order was gone by the time I quit. Early on, while I could not make a student study and learn, I could make them behave so those who were willing to learn were not disrupted. By the time I retired the schools were not environments suited for learning. I can go on with details but those are the main points.

What am I getting at? That many people the last few decades have thrown away the chance to get a decent education just by being allowed to choose not to try. They then find themselves as adults with few skills to offer and not much in the way of prospects. The more sad part of their bad choices is they are at the same time taking away the chance for a decent education from others. Their disruptions and the resulting chaos limit the chances of getting an education for those students who are willing to try.

 

[FreePenguin]

Not our problem they became dead beats. I’m sorry but I don’t see why we have to shelter, shelter them, feed them. They literally chose to become this way and live this way.

People in this thread are completely correct. You give them all this stuff free, they aren’t going to change, they will trash it. They’d rather be homeless than flip a burger or pick up trash as long as people give them money for drugs at end of day.

Being outside high for free is better than working any job, having any responsibility. It really is a lifestyle to them, and I have zero interest in any of my tax money going to provide for them wasted efforts. They are who they are, they are what they want to be.

Imo, society was better before we started caring so much, now more people want to migrate to these homeless tent cities. It’s a social thing, “free” life.

I read about people just dropping life to go shoot up and hang with their homeless friends like it’s some weird ass purpose. We are encouraging it by giving them so much!

Drug addicts and homeless people dare I say, get treated better medically than those actually struggling to hold onto insurance.

Tell me why addicts get free healthcare? Yet real working people basically get squashed, if you are just a dead beat you get free health insurance too.

 

[sk47]

What's wrong with keeping your fellow citizens from dying? You're also mad at the wrong thing. If the US was like literally every other developed country in the world and had universal healthcare that figure would be cut down and you wouldn't have to lose however many 100s of dollars/month your healthcare premium is.

Your second point is evident of a mental health problem so I'm not sure where you're trying to go with that.

Hello; Same "I come from higher moral ground ploy" as Shadow277 tries to slip in. Trying to imply those who disagree with you want people to die.
I can be against the way too extravagant social programs being proposed without being a bad person.
Carry on.

 

[Whitest Russian]

Not our problem they became dead beats. I’m sorry but I don’t see why we have to shelter, shelter them, feed them. They literally chose to become this way and live this way.

Because you live in a country that declares "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" as unalienable rights. Or would you rather live in some shithole where you could watch people die on the street?

Hello; Same "I come from higher moral ground ploy" as Shadow277 tries to slip in. Trying to imply those who disagree with you want people to die.
I can be against the way too extravagant social programs being proposed without being a bad person.
Carry on.

How is wanting the same social programs as literally every other first world country in the world considered extravagant? Why do you want to pay for private insurance and medicare? Why do you want being diagnosed with cancer to be a financial death sentence?

It doesn't have to be that way but you've been brainwashed to think that those things will lead to the socialist collapse of America.

 

[sk47]

Because you live in a country that declares "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" as unalienable rights. Or would you rather live in some shithole where you could watch people die on the street?



How is wanting the same social programs as literally every other first world country in the world considered extravagant? Why do you want to pay for private insurance and medicare? Why do you want being diagnosed with cancer to be a financial death sentence?

It doesn't have to be that way but you've been brainwashed to think that those things will lead to the socialist collapse of America.

Hello; First thing is the word "pursuit" of happiness. To pursue for things that make me happy is a right. Not that my basic needs are owed to me just because I need them. I have the right to pursue things which make me happy. Having a place to live is part of that happiness and I did pursue such. The right to pursue is not the guarantee to have.

Again with the over the top stuff, "brainwashed". I disagree with some of the things you favor and have reasons.

 

[Whitest Russian]

Hello; First thing is the word "pursuit" of happiness. To pursue for things that make me happy is a right. Not that my basic needs are owed to me just because I need them. I have the right to pursue things which make me happy. Having a place to live is part of that happiness and I did pursue such. The right to pursue is not the guarantee to have.

Again with the over the top stuff, "brainwashed". I disagree with some of the things you favor and have reasons.

What does you having the right to pursue happiness have to do with not letting people die of the streets of America?

Please enlighten me on your reasons, preferably in a way that doesn't boil down to a generic "Socialism is bad cuz change is difficult". You mentioned being from Kentucky, the 2nd most welfare dependent state. That state wouldn't exist without some form of Socialism.

 

[ice445]

What's wrong with keeping your fellow citizens from dying? You're also mad at the wrong thing. If the US was like literally every other developed country in the world and had universal healthcare that figure would be cut down and you wouldn't have to lose however many 100s of dollars/month your healthcare premium is.

Your second point is evident of a mental health problem so I'm not sure where you're trying to go with that.

I'm Canadian, actually. So I know exactly what a "developed" country's health care system looks like and how it operates. I didn't even state my belief on healthcare, you labeled me and took off with it. That's an argument for another time.

As far as the second point, yeah, its' a mental health problem. But it's also a choice. There's no "fixing" people who choose to be homeless. If someone would rather do drugs then have a job, what are you going to do about that? Confine them to an institution? That's what they used to do, but it seems a little inhumane to me. The only reason I even mentioned that was because the most visible portion of homeless gets the most attention and the most people talking, but in reality is the smallest percentage and the MOST DIFFICULT to actually resolve by far.

 

[Whitest Russian]

I'm Canadian, actually. So I know exactly what a "developed" country's health care system looks like and how it operates. I didn't even state my belief on healthcare, you labeled me and took off with it. That's an argument for another time.

As far as the second point, yeah, its' a mental health problem. But it's also a choice. There's no "fixing" people who choose to be homeless. If someone would rather do drugs then have a job, what are you going to do about that? Confine them to an institution? That's what they used to do, but it seems a little inhumane to me. The only reason I even mentioned that was because the most visible portion of homeless gets the most attention and the most people talking, but in reality is the smallest percentage and the MOST DIFFICULT to actually resolve by far.

You said that medicare/medicaid is used for subsidizing the poor and a "drain on the federal budget". That defiantly implies that you don't see those services as subsidized healthcare but rather a waste of your tax dollars.

Hell, looking at my last paycheck my take home is 2k and my medicare deduction is $50.76 while my combined deduction for all of my insurances and HSA is $126.78. Can you guess which one I'd rather pay? Especially if it would get rid or lower my copays? I already have to wait a month or two to see a neurologist so it's not like the American system of avoid going to doctors if you don't have the money is benefiting me, someone that can actually afford it.

Also, do you realize how asinine saying having a mental health problem is a choice? The organ that's responsible for making choices is the one that's malfunctioning. Literally wat.

There is always going to be bums and hippies that are just content to live in poverty and beg but that's a small part of the Homelessness problem. For most of them there is an underlying issue which caused it and unless those issues get addressed then it will be difficult to deal with homelessness. For some people it's mental health, for some people it's monetary, for some people they made bad choices and can't get the second chance they need, and for some people it's a cyclical effect where because they're homeless they can't present themselves for a job interview or even fill out paperwork that requires a home address.

And I know some people are going to reply that they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and got to where they are by themselves and that is complete crap. Everyone for to where they are connections and luck. Whether that connection was your parents, your teacher, a friend , or a caring supervisor that noticed and pushed for you to get head. Sure hard work is important but absolutely no one in the world got to where they are by themselves and it takes a special kind of snowflake to think they're above that.

 

[ice445]

You said that medicare/medicaid is used for subsidizing the poor and a "drain on the federal budget". That defiantly implies that you don't see those services as subsidized healthcare but rather a waste of your tax dollars.

Hell, looking at my last paycheck my take home is 2k and my medicare deduction is $50.76 while my combined deduction for all of my insurances and HSA is $126.78. Can you guess which one I'd rather pay? Especially if it would get rid or lower my copays? I already have to wait a month or two to see a neurologist so it's not like the American system of avoid going to doctors if you don't have the money is benefiting me, someone that can actually afford it.

Also, do you realize how asinine saying having a mental health problem is a choice? The organ that's responsible for making choices is the one that's malfunctioning. Literally wat.

There is always going to be bums and hippies that are just content to live in poverty and beg but that's a small part of the Homelessness problem. For most of them there is an underlying issue which caused it and unless those issues get addressed then it will be difficult to deal with homelessness. For some people it's mental health, for some people it's monetary, for some people they made bad choices and can't get the second chance they need, and for some people it's a cyclical effect where because they're homeless they can't present themselves for a job interview or even fill out paperwork that requires a home address.

And I know some people are going to reply that they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and got to where they are by themselves and that is complete crap. Everyone for to where they are connections and luck. Whether that connection was your parents, your teacher, a friend , or a caring supervisor that noticed and pushed for you to get head. Sure hard work is important but absolutely no one in the world got to where they are by themselves and it takes a special kind of snowflake to think they're above that.

I told you I'm not here to argue healthcare, lol. I said it the way I did because claiming that the "welfare state" is only 8% of the budget just isn't true. As far as the "mental health problem" argument, it should be obvious that I meant some mental health problems don't have solutions. If someone is happy not being a part of civilized society, what solution is there for that? What do we classify as mental illness versus just not participating in the norms that we have accepted? Also, its a painful reality but many of the illnesses that lead to homelessness can't be treated, or are entirely dependent upon the person wanting to be treated. If they won't take their pills, there's not much short of institutionalizing them that will fix things. In my city millions of dollars go towards ending homelessness, and it hardly makes a dent in the tent camps around the city. It's not a problem you can spend your way out of. This has been proven many times over now.

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