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Manufacturing has been making a comeback with lower corporate taxes. Companies are much more willing to invest right here with that and lower regulations.
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Unemployment has been trending down since 2009/2010. So has Welfare spending. Nothing has changed in the last 2yrs other than the trends continuing. It's not like there has been some U-turn. Look at the historical data from previous years. Its all downward slopes since 2009/2010.
I get it. The figures put out by the government can be confusing. For some reason the Bureau of Labor Statistics stops counting a person as being unemployed if they haven't actively looked for work in the last 4 weeks. So there can be lots of people with no jobs, but the government agency doesn't count them in the unemployment rate! I personally think this is deliberate obfuscation by that agency. It certainly helps the fake news media to deceive people more easily.

If you look at the start of the Obama presidency, the unemployment rate shoots up (as you would expect when the government enacts job killing legislation and regulations). Unemployment continues to rise for over a year, and then it starts falling. People started to give up on finding jobs, because Obama killed all the available jobs. Then the swamp government agency stops counting those people as being unemployed.

I don't blame people for stopping a fruitless job hunt when Obama has messed up the economy and there are no jobs out there.

If you look at the Labor Participation Rate (how many people are actually working), you will see that during this time when unemployment falls under Obama, the labor participation rate falls. Basically the government counts these people as being permanently unemployed. They will never, ever get a job under the liberal government policies Obama enacted. That is why there were record high numbers of people on welfare during the Obama presidency while that deceptively calculated unemployment rate was falling.

When Trump got in, the unemployment rate fell due to actual new jobs being created. This was because taxes and regulations were relaxed, so businesses had more money to hire people with. SO the American people benefited by getting jobs.

As unemployment continued to fall to record low rates under Trump's policies, you will see that the Labor Participation Rate started growing. That's right! Many of the permanently unemployed people who gave up looking for work under the crappy policies of the Obama administration got sucked back into the workplace! They got off welfare and started working. No longer are there record numbers of people on welfare.

Those people who couldn't find jobs when Obama was in office are the people who really benefit from Trump's policies. Dems like to spin it as if Trump is only benefiting big businesses. However, it's the minorities and women who are enjoying record numbers of jobs and record low unemployment who are the biggest beneficiaries. It's much better to have work than to not be able to find anything. Obama and the Dems want to create people who have to live essentially as slaves - never able to find a job, dependent on that government welfare check, can't do anything for themselves.

I for one am really glad to see Trump's policies helping those people stand on their own feet and gain a sense of pride by working in productive jobs and making their own money.
 

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Note: I don't do politics. It usually brings out the worst in people.

But... I came in here to say that while the economy is doing well, it's unsustainable. Economies don't just stand still(stagnant), it's more like a rollercoaster ride. Ups and downs. I think we should enjoy it while it lasts.
Yes I've noticed this too, When one party is in charge its one way, and when the other is in charge its this way.
No one seems to have answered the original question tho. Just a lot of splaining.
 

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Yes I've noticed this too, When one party is in charge its one way, and when the other is in charge its this way.
No one seems to have answered the original question tho. Just a lot of splaining.
No one has answered the question because it is unanswerable. There are no policies the left puts in place especially in their recent dive toward the left and socialist policies that will help our economy. If we look at the economy by itself, government of any form just stifles the growth. The regulations added by government (for good or bad)make it harder for businesses to profit. If you look at conservatism, by definition it is a lack of government regulations. There are still regulations, just less of them, the hard decision to make is where do we stop the slider? All the way at complete deregulation where there are no hinderance to corporations and they literally would control us by unfettered access to our labor and money or have such severe regulations where there is a complete sharing of wealth so that there is no reason for innovation or hard work to gain personal wealth.

The other thing that makes it difficult is when we add in feelings and some peoples need for "social justice". "Why can't everyone be rich?" "We should all be able to have this."

The sliding lever of government regulations is tough to get exactly right, too far to the right and we all suffer under mega corporations and price gouging. We will all suffer as slaves to whoever has all the resources. Too far to the left and no one will feel any need to go to work, no one will feel the need to innovate and we will all suffer as slaves to whoever controls the resources.

It seems at the time, Trump has it about right based on the growth of the economy. We are seeing ~3% per quarter growth, we are not seeing corporations starting to take advantage of people in an unrestrained way and there are plenty of ways out there for people to attain personal wealth. We are still distributing our incomes through taxes to support the poor but we are able to start saving for our retirements and buy a mustang or two. The problem with Obamas regulation level and redistribution plan was, It was reducing the ability of people and businesses to grow too much. Innovation was stifled and people were unemployed and not able to save as much, see their savings grow and couldn't afford an extra car (or 2) while he was president.
 

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Another point to add, people get so wrapped up in hating Donald Trump. There are entire news channels that stream this hate 24 hours a day to people. Does anyone know why he is so unpopular with the establishment? He is not liked by the Republican or Democratic party. He is so hated because he negates the need for either party, he makes both parties irrelevant. You have to realize that both parties (politicians in general) want control. They just differ in how they want to attain it. If you look at Republicans, everyone thinks they are the party of big business. They want to gain control of your life through the corporations. That is evident because they want to deregulate, make corporations more profitable and powerful. The corporations will control the money and help their friends the Republicans. The Democrats have always wanted to be thought of as the party of the "little people", they want to gain power over us by super regulation of business and distribution of wealth through social programs all the while taking a big slice of the pie for themselves and controlling the distribution of resources.

Do you want to be slaves of the corporations or slaves of the program and resource distributors. Donald Trump is actually trying to deregulate just enough to make the economy flourish, enact trade deals that are favorable to the US and control immigration enough so our economy isn't over stressed. Part of this is because it's the smart thing to do and part of it probably is because he has an ego the size of Trump Tower. But for whatever reason, we can all start to enjoy a good standard of living again.

Try and think about this neutrally. Has any politician ever done anything to actually try to help normal people? You sit there and wonder why everything they do is ass backwards or dumb. Then wonder why Donald Trump is hated by both sides, actually equally. Remember, the left hated Bush with a passion but they never pulled any of this crap with him, the Republicans shielded him from all this stuff. If you think any of the politicians besides Ron Paul at the Federal level are clean and non corrupt you better take a better look at them. Try looking at some of the things Trump is doing without looking at who is doing it. Think in your mind that the policy is coming from Obama if you want and see if it makes sense to make your life better.
 

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Can't argue much with that
 

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Another point to add, people get so wrapped up in hating Donald Trump. There are entire news channels that stream this hate 24 hours a day to people. Does anyone know why he is so unpopular with the establishment? He is not liked by the Republican or Democratic party. He is so hated because he negates the need for either party, he makes both parties irrelevant. You have to realize that both parties (politicians in general) want control. They just differ in how they want to attain it. If you look at Republicans, everyone thinks they are the party of big business. They want to gain control of your life through the corporations. That is evident because they want to deregulate, make corporations more profitable and powerful. The corporations will control the money and help their friends the Republicans. The Democrats have always wanted to be thought of as the party of the "little people", they want to gain power over us by super regulation of business and distribution of wealth through social programs all the while taking a big slice of the pie for themselves and controlling the distribution of resources.

Do you want to be slaves of the corporations or slaves of the program and resource distributors. Donald Trump is actually trying to deregulate just enough to make the economy flourish, enact trade deals that are favorable to the US and control immigration enough so our economy isn't over stressed. Part of this is because it's the smart thing to do and part of it probably is because he has an ego the size of Trump Tower. But for whatever reason, we can all start to enjoy a good standard of living again.

Try and think about this neutrally. Has any politician ever done anything to actually try to help normal people? You sit there and wonder why everything they do is ass backwards or dumb. Then wonder why Donald Trump is hated by both sides, actually equally. Remember, the left hated Bush with a passion but they never pulled any of this crap with him, the Republicans shielded him from all this stuff. If you think any of the politicians besides Ron Paul at the Federal level are clean and non corrupt you better take a better look at them. Try looking at some of the things Trump is doing without looking at who is doing it. Think in your mind that the policy is coming from Obama if you want and see if it makes sense to make your life better.
Deals so favorable that we pay higher import tariffs, which get past to the consumer, and that the farmer are so hurt by export tariffs that Trump is looking to shell out a total of basically 27 Billion in welfare(call it a subsidy all you want, its being use to help them meet bills and put food on the table, it's welfare) for them to keep them afloat.

So my cost of living has gone up due to import tariffs, and more of my tax dollars now go to farmers hurt by export tariffs, company didn't give much raises this year, my 401K has barely improved, and my Tax return was the smallest it's been in 8 years. Man, that's just amazing! So happy! Wait.. no that's the opposite of what you just said.
 
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Do you want to be slaves of the corporations or slaves of the program and resource distributors. Donald Trump is actually trying to deregulate just enough to make the economy flourish, enact trade deals that are favorable to the US and control immigration enough so our economy isn't over stressed. Part of this is because it's the smart thing to do and part of it probably is because he has an ego the size of Trump Tower. But for whatever reason, we can all start to enjoy a good standard of living again.
I disagree with some of what you are saying. Big businesses sometimes can cause issues for people with lack of freedom, but the way those big businesses do that is through REGULATIONS. Both the Rs and Ds take money from big business and both enact the regulations those businesses want. The Rs and Ds are the same because they are both taking bribes from the same people. They just talk slightly different BS. And neither group is conservative.

Regulations are barriers to the little guy starting a business and competing with those larger businesses.
 

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Deals so favorable that we pay higher import tariffs, which get past to the consumer, and that the farmer are so hurt by export tariffs that Trump is looking to shell out a total of basically 27 Billion in welfare(call it a subsidy all you want, its being use to help them meet bills and put food on the table, it's welfare) for them to keep them afloat.

So my cost of living has gone up due to import tariffs, and more of my tax dollars now go to farmers hurt by export tariffs, company didn't give much raises this year, my 401K has barely improved, and my Tax return was the smallest it's been in 8 years. Man, that's just amazing! So happy! Wait.. no that's the opposite of what you just said.
If you look back in history that is the way the government is supposed to support itself. Tariffs, not off the backs and sweat of it's citizens. If cheap Chinese junk is your thing, you are probably not happy with these tariffs. I always try to spend my money in America with products made in America or even more locally than that. I know it costs me more but supporting my country and neighbors is important to me. The higher the tariffs, the more domestic production will occur and the more people in America will have jobs. Sometimes we all got to take a hit for the team. Remember, that stuff is cheap because of the low wages paid to the (insert low foreign paid worker here). We can be the food producing and manufacturing center of the world again but fixing trade deficits will take a little pain.The end result will be worth it though. same with food, the foreign tariffs will go down so they can feed their citizens and American farmers will continue to provide a real big hunk of the world's food. sometimes we gotta help people along a little, no difference than food stamps for the poor except farmers have to work for their handouts.

Your cost of living will go up because of trade tariffs but again everyone has to help a little. Maybe its a good time to save instead of spend until this gets sorted out. If you are unhappy with your job, right now it's an employees market, it's a good time to switch jobs with such low unemployment. If your 401K is not doing well, immediately fire your financial advisor and get a new one. Last year mine was (self managed) returning 19.8% and is doing 11.1% right now. Pretty decent return on investment. If you are not happy right now, it's time to make some changes. I am here to help if you want.Small tax returns are good, it meant that you didn't lend the government your money at 0% interest all last year. If your tax return is exactly $0, you have planned well, my friend.
 

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I disagree with some of what you are saying. Big businesses sometimes can cause issues for people with lack of freedom, but the way those big businesses do that is through REGULATIONS. Both the Rs and Ds take money from big business and both enact the regulations those businesses want. The Rs and Ds are the same because they are both taking bribes from the same people. They just talk slightly different BS. And neither group is conservative.

Regulations are barriers to the little guy starting a business and competing with those larger businesses.
You are right a lot of Republicans are not "conservatives", you are also right that they both take money from big businesses. Deregulation allows corporations to make their own rules, if left on their own, they will own everything. It is government regulations that keep that from happening. Not all regulations are barriers to the little guy, lots of them (ie monopoly restrictions) and make it possible for small businesses to get started. I did use some big generalizations for simplicities sake we just have to read between the lines a little. The "right" amount of regulations is what is needed.
 

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If you look back in history that is the way the government is supposed to support itself. Tariffs, not off the backs and sweat of it's citizens. If cheap Chinese junk is your thing, you are probably not happy with these tariffs. I always try to spend my money in America with products made in America or even more locally than that. I know it costs me more but supporting my country and neighbors is important to me. The higher the tariffs, the more domestic production will occur and the more people in America will have jobs. Sometimes we all got to take a hit for the team. Remember, that stuff is cheap because of the low wages paid to the (insert low foreign paid worker here). We can be the food producing and manufacturing center of the world again but fixing trade deficits will take a little pain.The end result will be worth it though. same with food, the foreign tariffs will go down so they can feed their citizens and American farmers will continue to provide a real big hunk of the world's food. sometimes we gotta help people along a little, no difference than food stamps for the poor except farmers have to work for their handouts.

Your cost of living will go up because of trade tariffs but again everyone has to help a little. Maybe its a good time to save instead of spend until this gets sorted out. If you are unhappy with your job, right now it's an employees market, it's a good time to switch jobs with such low unemployment. If your 401K is not doing well, immediately fire your financial advisor and get a new one. Last year mine was (self managed) returning 19.8% and is doing 11.1% right now. Pretty decent return on investment. If you are not happy right now, it's time to make some changes. I am here to help if you want.Small tax returns are good, it meant that you didn't lend the government your money at 0% interest all last year. If your tax return is exactly $0, you have planned well, my friend.
The moment you used the term "Chinese junk" your entire post meant nothing to me and I stopped reading.
 

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The moment you used the term "Chinese junk" your entire post meant nothing to me and I stopped reading.
You're going to find it very hard to learn in life with such a closed mind. no one can argue the difference in quality between American and Chinese manufacturing, at least a serious argument.
 

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You're going to find it very hard to learn in life with such a closed mind. no one can argue the difference in quality between American and Chinese manufacturing, at least a serious argument.
It's not about what you said it's about how you said it that will make someone not listen to you or want to agree with you. You could have phrased it better than calling it "Chinese junk".
 
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It's not about what you said it's about how you said it that will make someone not listen to you or want to agree with you. You could have phrased it better than calling it "Chinese junk".
It's definitely a go to tactic of the left. Silence the opposition by calling them racist, sexist, homophobic, whatever suits the situation.

Everyone knows that there are a lot of junky, unsafe, crappy products made in China. We've all seen it.
 

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It's not about what you said it's about how you said it that will make someone not listen to you or want to agree with you. You could have phrased it better than calling it "Chinese junk".
You do realize that most of the trade talks impasse is about the Chinese stealing our intellectual property(ie reverse engineering our innovation to be made cheaply). Hard to show respect to the manufacturing center in China who produces cheap items for export by paying very low wages to its workers. No mention was made in a derogetory manner towards the Chinese people so it is hard to understand any offense taken. I think the problem is more likely the difficulty in debating from an inferior position and that is an easy way out. If people want to artificially raise their quality of life off of the sweat and labor of cheaply paid foreign workers then so be it. I would rather buy less stuff.
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