Throttle House S650 review- first 30 seconds nailed it

[tosha]

overboosting the assistance either way absolutely changes the feedback you get from the wheel.

But it's not real feedback it's a gimmick

just like engine noise from speakers on lots of other cars.

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[mavisky]

But it's not real feedback it's a gimmick

just like engine noise from speakers on lots of other cars.

My point is only that you cannot add feedback by adjusting the steering resistance, but you can take it away.

 

[tosha]

Let me try to explain with an example - when you drive over a small pothole, or over a groove or angularion on the road, how do you know? Well, the suspension will tell you through the sound, body motion and potentially a body hit. That is a real feedback. What happens to the steering wheel at that moment? Pretty much nothing. You can hold it with one finger and car would keep going straight. Car is sorting this out for you to a great extent. If you remove suspension feedback, would you even feel that there was something? How well it reacts to a wheel turn and how much resistance is emulated into wheel turn has nothing to do with the steering feedback and what people refer to as communicative steering.

 

[tosha]

My point is only that you cannot add feedback by adjusting the steering resistance, but you can take it away.

That I agree with. Dialing up steering assist force kills feedback completely

 

[shogun32]

and most people like it.

No, most people are now clueless, and have been lied to by even more ignorant marketing departments for so long such that exerting effort has been declared to be objectionable, and too paying attention is just too hard. Instead of airbags, a 4 inch spike would greatly enhance driver IQ.

 

[mavisky]

Let me try to explain with an example - when you drive over a small pothole, or over a groove or angularion on the road, how do you know? Well, the suspension will tell you through the sound, body motion and potentially a body hit. That is a real feedback. What happens to the steering wheel at that moment? Pretty much nothing. You can hold it with one finger and car would keep going straight. Car is sorting this out for you to a great extent. If you remove suspension feedback, would you even feel that there was something? How well it reacts to a wheel turn and how much resistance is emulated into wheel turn has nothing to do with the steering feedback and what people refer to as communicative steering.

Obviously we disgaree severely, and that's ok. This is a subjective thing. It's not like a horsepower figure which can be measured.

If I am steering into a corner and come across a bump or inconsistency in the roadway that reduces grip I will absolutely feel that through the wheel. Typically that's felt because by the front tires losing grip allowing the wheel to turn further while the car turns less given the same input from my arms. This would be an understeer situation. If the car oversteers then I suddenly feel whe steering wheel go light because the car is turning more with the same level of input.

If you overboost the shit out of the steering it numbs my senses of whether the steering is going light mid corner due to the car losing grip at the front or rear. You can't take a car with ahitty feel and add stiffness to the wheel to give it more feel, but it's possible to boost it to the point that you numb the feel that should be there.

Given the feedback from reviewers on the S650 and their claims that the rack is "quicker", I'm guessing this is because the steering ratio has changed. This would require more torque to move the wheels further with less turning of the steering wheel. In order to not make the steering too heavy now Ford probably had to boost the assistance and now the wheels turn quicker lock to lock but are more numb in the process.

 

[tosha]

No, most people are now clueless, and have been lied to by even more ignorant marketing departments for so long such that exerting effort has been declared to be objectionable, and too paying attention is just too hard. Instead of airbags, a 4 inch spike would greatly enhance driver IQ.

 

[tosha]

Obviously we disgaree severely, and that's ok. This is a subjective thing. It's not like a horsepower figure which can be measured.

If you overboost the shit out of the steering it numbs my senses of whether the steering is going light mid corner due to the car losing grip at the front or rear. You can't take a car with ahitty feel and add stiffness to the wheel to give it more feel, but it's possible to boost it to the point that you numb the feel that should be there.

No, I agree with you here. We talk about things that are not mutually exclusive and I'm with you that overboost kills it.

 

[mavisky]

Dark Horse review is out and even with 305's up front they're still complaining about the lack of feel. Now there is also a soft Rev limiter on the manuals 250rpm before the actual redline too that the 10 speed auto doesn't get and they managed to have a couple failures of the auto Rev match. With the inflation driving prices up to serious figures for this new generation it may be better to wait for Ford to make some revisions or buy an S550 or something else entirely.

https://www.caranddriver.com/review...LyxlLDLVRRzrRSVGZLPjS_b82WPd7fe9YgENsJVwJLPVQ

 

[UpACurb]

SavageGeese is over on the 7G boards posting ...one of his posts on the Dark Horse....


Savagegeese Jack said:
If your coming from a early non “special” s550 its maybe worth the upgrade. If your in a mach one, gt350, gt500 its a hard upgrade to justify.

He also mentions something to the tune of....its good for a non Ford Performance Mustang......

2 of the other videos I watched on the Dark Horse also mentioned light steering/ lack of feel

Sounds like the video gamed it more as well

 

[tosha]

With the inflation driving prices up to serious figures for this new generation it may be better to wait for Ford to make some revisions or buy an S550 or something else entirely.

absolutely, just get a Mach1 if track capability is high on the list. otherwise, get a regular S550, throw some suspension upgrades at it and a proper set of wheels. either one will be just as good as this dark hose thing. and there will be enough money left to supercharge it. 70 grand is crazy.

 

[joe603]

absolutely, just get a Mach1 if track capability is high on the list. otherwise, get a regular S550, throw some suspension upgrades at it and a proper set of wheels. either one will be just as good as this dark hose thing. and there will be enough money left to supercharge it. 70 grand is crazy.

...80 with mark up ;)

 

[newmoon]

I think this is the best review so far. All valid points.

 

[2021 Mach 1]

I think this is the best review so far. All valid points.

I don't care if the DH has ice skates for steering, I'm buying one.

 

[mavisky]

I don't care if the DH has ice skates for steering, I'm buying one.

Why on earth would you buy one over your Mach 1? Other than just to have the newest of the new. It makes a few more horsepower, but weighs more to offset it.

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