Where do you find 500HP, Brembo's, Tremec, Magnaride, warranty, and 20+ MPG's out in the market for 50k? I'd honestly like to know because I can't find it. Replace Tremec with the A10 (which is how I'd build a Mach) and it gets quicker.
the Bullitt has the 350 intake and already published as having 480. There is zero mystery on that front.
If I had the definitive answer I could ransom it for a few million dollars to GM management. It's 'looks', 'interior', and trunk opening IMO with the biggest factor being looks. GM's penned-by-5yr old comic-book artists is I think the biggest factor. raise the seat pan, drop the sills, provide a canopy you can see out of and sales will dramatically pick up. I've mentioned before, GM excels in performance Engineering, Ford in looks and day-to-day ergonomics.
I think that's pretty much it in a nutshell.
You are reading too much into my commment. I am simply saying that had Ford made the Mach 1 with 500+ HP (shouldn't be too incredibly hard to get from 460 (or 480) to 501), and provided the same options to A10 customer's, I would have been possibly interested had the car price started with a "5." That's it. It's has nothing to do with whether there are other options in that price range. I think Ford could have met my two criteria with a price starting with a "5". It was a stubborn, boneheaded decision not to offer the same options to automatic and manual customers, and simply lazy to just roll-out the same 480 HP as the Bullitt.
Here’s what I do not understand. Why is everyone fixated on a number that has yet to be confirmed? The 480 is projected, not definite. Why are so willing to beat up Ford for not doing something that hasn’t even been announced yet?
If only Ford published "500" hp, this thread would be only 37 pages of speculation, bench-racing, and disappointment!
you can likely blame emissions (Commie-fornia) and international certifications for that one. What we really need is a 45-state model with 501HP and a fellow-communists state and international version at 480 or better yet 420hp. If you're gonna do it, why not hoist the black flag and tell CA and the other handful of States who chose to sign onto their madness to F'off.
I'm gonna intercept this one. The short answer is that Camaro is better at being a performance car. Where decisions had to be made on tradeoffs for performance or everyday livability (is that even a word?) Camaro fell on the performance side. Mustang is the better "fit within my lifestyle" car. For the first several years of Ca6 vs M6, where Mustang outsold Camaro was on the base and midtrim levels. When you compared V8 to V8 they were pretty much on par. But since nobody is taking 2.0T or 3.6L Camaros to a strip or track (1LE versions excluded) people considering those cars more often bought Mustangs. So for people using their sports car for every aspect of their lives, Mustang is simply easier to live with. If I had to rely on my sports car for my all the time use, the shape of the trunk opening might have been a deal breaker. But I have a nice SUV so it's a non-issue. Insert seating position, visibility issues, or your favorite ergonomic irritation and assume others have the same issues.
You and I are usually pretty well aligned........but on this subject I'm not so sure. The A10 sees duty in a 600hp+ Camaro without issue. Ford have a habit of not allowing the option of the auto with their performance packages. Back in '15, the Performance Pack was manual only (apart from the 50 Years Limited edition) and the rest of the world S550s were pretty much Performance Packs in terms of specs, and yet the auto was always an option, so I don't believe it was an engineering decision.
GM also had to learn this same lesson WRT the 1LE trims on the SS and ZL1. At the end of the day, selling units is what matters, not kissing the ass of 6MT snobs.
The caveat here is that even though Ford and GM co-developed the A10, and even though Ford was the development lead for the A10 (GM was development lead for the FWD A9) each company was free and clear to develop their own variants. In short, the A10 in the Camaro ZL1 is NOT the same A10 used in Mustangs or F-150s. It has significant engineering differences to manage the 650 lb-ft of torque (the real issue, not the hp) that are not present in the Ford A10. In fact, I believe the ZL1 A10 is unique to ZL1 and the Camaro SS A10 is more similar to the Mustang A10.You and I are usually pretty well aligned........but on this subject I'm not so sure. The A10 sees duty in a 600hp+ Camaro without issue. Ford have a habit of not allowing the option of the auto with their performance packages. Back in '15, the Performance Pack was manual only (apart from the 50 Years Limited edition) and the rest of the world S550s were pretty much Performance Packs in terms of specs, and yet the auto was always an option, so I don't believe it was an engineering decision.
Same goes for the 18+ PP2.....manual only, and yet the Mach 1 is effectively a PP2 in base trim, and you can spec the auto. But you can't get the auto if you go for the Handling Pack (which is pretty much just wider wheels/tires and front/rear spoilers).
I honestly don't believe it's an engineering thing, I just think they believe the "hard core" choice should be manual only. And in a shrinking market I don't think that's a good move. You want your customers to have the maximum choice in order to maximize sales.
My ideal spec would be a 10-speed with the Handling Pack but as that's not an option I'd go for the base car and just stump up for the wider wheels/spoilers myself from the aftermarket. But that means Ford have just lost $$.
As for the DCT......nope, that'll remain a GT500 unique selling point.
