The UK Is Already Pushing Back Its 2030 EV Goals

[Bikeman315]

No great surprise here. Hopefully more to come.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a4524...licks, NON AM 90D Opens, Both Subbed Last 30D

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[raptor17GT]

thats because the PM wants to to have job next year and he's buying favour with the population. I think it matches the EU timetable so it's not unique to this part of the world. Cannot discuss further as it is a banned (and rightly so) topic on here

 

[sk47]

Quotes from the link
"Some industry observers have suspected Sunak's announcement of a 2030 pushback as reflecting the very real possibility that the country's energy grid and the demands on it may not be ready to support the increase in EV usage, especially when energy costs have drastically increased in UK and elsewhere in Europe in the past few years. "
""Right now, it can take 14 years to build new grid infrastructure," he added."

Hello; No politics needed as there are real world practical reasons to justify such a delay. These things have been posted and discussed in other threads. Months to many weeks ago information was posted about new "green" energy projects (I think solar or wind) waiting in line to be connected to the existing grid. As I understand it some projects may have to wait for months or even years to be connected to the grid.
Part of physical reality surrounding such a massive change to a working energy & transportation system. Idealized concept faces reality. Had that happen to me a bit over three years ago. The edge of my driveway was cobbled and ugly. A previous owner has made some poorly constructed attempts to dress up the driveway edge. I decided to remove the mess and make a simple wall. Wound up taking three years of hard work on my part.

 

[RagmopInKona]

Quotes from the link
"Some industry observers have suspected Sunak's announcement of a 2030 pushback as reflecting the very real possibility that the country's energy grid and the demands on it may not be ready to support the increase in EV usage, especially when energy costs have drastically increased in UK and elsewhere in Europe in the past few years. "
""Right now, it can take 14 years to build new grid infrastructure," he added."

Hello; No politics needed as there are real world practical reasons to justify such a delay. These things have been posted and discussed in other threads. Months to many weeks ago information was posted about new "green" energy projects (I think solar or wind) waiting in line to be connected to the existing grid. As I understand it some projects may have to wait for months or even years to be connected to the grid.
Part of physical reality surrounding such a massive change to a working energy & transportation system. Idealized concept faces reality. Had that happen to me a bit over three years ago. The edge of my driveway was cobbled and ugly. A previous owner has made some poorly constructed attempts to dress up the driveway edge. I decided to remove the mess and make a simple wall. Wound up taking three years of hard work on my part.

Remember, to some facts don't matter if it goes against "feelings"
Fun fact.
Your electric bill will have to quadruple to fund the upgrades in 20 years time. They have to septuple to do it in a decade and that is IF there is no push back from the ones pushing for all this but only if it is N.I.M.B.Y.

 

[sk47]

Remember, to some facts don't matter if it goes against "feelings"
Fun fact.
Your electric bill will have to quadruple to fund the upgrades in 20 years time. They have to septuple to do it in a decade and that is IF there is no push back from the ones pushing for all this but only if it is N.I.M.B.Y.

Hello; Your estimates of cost might not prove to be exact but are very likely in the ballpark. may even be a bit too low. I and others have posted many times about the timeline of the "green agenda" changes to our established energy & transport systems & infrastructure.
I understand, or think I do, part of the reasoning behind the TOO FAST push for the changes they want. They have some power in place around the world. They have a "fear mongering" scheme in place in the form of climate/warming with a many decades distant end time.
My suspicion being they hope to get us past a point of no return in the transition. If enough fossil fuel power plants are shut down and enough "green energy" projects in place, then it will be too late to stop.

 

[sk47]

The heat pumps farce has reached a new low (msn.com)

“So, like a Soviet commissar after a couple of vodkas too many, the government has just set a target instead. From next year, manufacturers will be told how many heat pumps they have to shift, based on the number of gas boilers they sell, and will face fines of up to £5,000 for every unit they fall short by.”

“Ministers could no doubt have lots of fun, announcing different targets for all kinds of virtue-signalling products, while the Treasury chuckles over all the money the fines bring in”.

“It is utterly crazy. At this rate, a plumber you thought was just popping round to fix a leak will be surreptitiously installing a heat pump just to avoid a fine. “

“Postponing the ban on the sale of new petrol cars to 2035, the same date as the European Union, has not caused the sky to fall in. Neither has dropping batty recycling ideas, or authorising a new North Sea oil field to keep the lights switched on while we build enough solar and wind capacity. Surely there’s room for common sense on heat pumps, too?”

Hello; One could hope for common sense to show up at some point, but being sensible was never part of the agendas. The heat pump manufactures might simply raise the price of a heat pump to cover the fines making the adoption of heat pumps even less attractive.

Reminds me of the fallacy behind the idea of raising taxes on corporations. A company will simply pass the cost onto the consumer so in effect will become a hidden tax increase on the taxpayers. Guess they can still claim to not having raised taxes even tho it will not be true.

As I understand things only around 50% of people in my country wind up paying taxes anyway. The other half get some sort of program and effectively do not have to pay taxes. A guy I went to high school with wound up old just as i did. I have a small pension from being a public school teacher in KY. He wound up mowing lawns in his old age.
Thing is his grandparents left him a very nice house and a big chunk of money. He buys new cars more often than I do. But his income any more is from mowing lawns, and he does not report the part paid in cash, only the part paid by check. So, with his reported income he winds up below the poverty level. When I am paying taxes every spring, he would call to tell me how he got a check from the government to bring his income up to poverty level.

 

[accel]

If politicians want to regulate something they'd rather mandate EV prices than ICE industry. People'd preffer them If they were affordable plus you could charge them for less than ICEs.

Like communists they approach everything from the wrong end.

 

[RagmopInKona]

E.V. prices are high by design and not because of any high tech in them they are little more than full sized rc cars .
With less moving parts than ice units less tooling , less production plants, less engineering. The prices should be lower than ice by Alot but they like Apple are a fashion statement and charge higher prices to be seen driving one.
The oems claiming they are loosing money on them is b.s. They lost money only on the projected sales they assumed they get that never came . They lost nothing in reality other than sales . Claiming they lost billions because they factored in selling 150 k units and didn't . Is common core type math.

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