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Guys, we are all rank amateurs so don’t pull out that jack of all trades thing - because it’s master of none.

You want to race on the track then start in a go karts (not Mustangs) like Paul Tracy and work your way up. I saw how he did it as I used to supply him with his tires back when he was a nobody. The rest of use are just consumers that will never amount to anything in competition.

I grew up just after the big block hey day and missed out on that. Now I have a chance to scratch that itch off my to do list. Everything the current GT does is just for guys to “pretend” they are track/drag/street racers. Ford makes money on that dream. So they may as well make money in this other dream.


Just saying...
 

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Guys, we are all rank amateurs so don’t pull out that jack of all trades thing - because it’s master of none.

You want to race on the track then start in a go karts (not Mustangs) like Paul Tracy and work your way up. I saw how he did it as I used to supply him with his tires back when he was a nobody. The rest of use are just consumers that will never amount to anything in competition.

I grew up just after the big block hey day and missed out on that. Now I have a chance to scratch that itch off my to do list. Everything the current GT does is just for guys to “pretend” they are track/drag/street racers. Ford makes money on that dream. So they may as well make money in this other dream.


Just saying...
Racing isn't just about making money or winning pro-level races. There are plenty of people on here winning their classes on the road course or the drag strip using the S550. And yes, the S550 is a "jack of all trades" as far as performance coupes go. It's a basic package that you can make into anything you want.
I started out racing autoX in an SR20DE equipped Sentra. That's a car that presents a real challenge if you want to race. There are no options from the factory or the Nissan dealership to make it competitive. We should be happy that Ford offers whatever you need to get into your race of choice.
 

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I had an S197 and rode in few 70's Mustang race cars. I don't miss the past. The S197 solid rear axle sucked hard in rear world driving. Sure, the drag guys liked it, but an overwhelming majority of Mustangs sold are for road use. When Ford redesigned the Mustang to make the S550, they did a brilliant thing. They took a one trick pony and made it competitive in multiple categories. If you want to road race, you can do it. Want to drag race, you can do that too. If you want to just cruise around town, the Mustang is comfortable for that as well. I think the point BmacIL is trying to convey, is that there is no reason to use fake figure to push some imaginary engine option. The stock S550 GT can run high 11s as is, so claiming it isn't straight line capable with the coyote is just incorrect. Just like claiming sales are down because it isn't just focused on the drag strip. That ignores all facts around initial and current S550 sales trend, along with automotive market data.
IDK - overall I think I liked the S197 better. At least the engine didn't have all the funky noises this one does lol.
 

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IDK - overall I think I liked the S197 better. At least the engine didn't have all the funky noises this one does lol.
No, the engine sounded quiet, but the transmission was straight trash. After two synchro replacements in 2 years, Ford gave me a new one. I traded the thing in before the new trans had a chance to start grinding. I would take an S550 of an S197 any day. My 08 would fall flat on its face once I was past the torque peak. The 18 pulls from 2k to 8k.
 

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No, the engine sounded quiet, but the transmission was straight trash. After two synchro replacements in 2 years, Ford gave me a new one. I traded the thing in before the new trans had a chance to start grinding. I would take an S550 of an S197 any day. My 08 would fall flat on its face once I was past the torque peak. The 18 pulls from 2k to 8k.
I had an 11. It was quiet - no ticks. I never had issues with the trans but it was never raced hard.
 

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I had an 11. It was quiet - no ticks. I never had issues with the trans but it was never raced hard.
You were lucky. It was a cold weather issue, which they put out a TSB for. Any time the temp outside was under 50F, it would grind going from 1st to 2nd. I was living in VA at the time, so every fall I was prepared to hear a grind. The second attempt to fix it actually left me with a trans that whined in every gear. I had to fight with the dealership to get a new trans.
 

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You were lucky. It was a cold weather issue, which they put out a TSB for. Any time the temp outside was under 50F, it would grind going from 1st to 2nd. I was living in VA at the time, so every fall I was prepared to hear a grind. The second attempt to fix it actually left me with a trans that whined in every gear. I had to fight with the dealership to get a new trans.
I bought it used with 20k miles so there is a possibility the tsb was performed. I never had the grinding issue though.
 

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IDK - overall I think I liked the S197 better. At least the engine didn't have all the funky noises this one does lol.
And that's subjective. Everyone has their favorite things.

Which torque monsters are you referring to that you had? The 302 Windsor (guess based on your forum name)? I'd love to see most of these people griping about low end remove most of the sound deadening, remove most of the bushings from the suspension, and try a shorter rear axle gear, particularly the '18+ manual cars with the longer trans ratios. My bolt-on '15 makes 383 lb-ft to the wheels, and carries >300 lb-ft from 3000-7300 rpm, >350 lb-ft from 3500-6000 rpm. Fat & flat torque curve.

The reason for my above response is because 1) Much of it was responding to was factually incorrect and 2) illogical. If people think it's getting butthurt because I'm pointing out contradictory facts to their opinions and supporting arguments, welcome to the real world.
 

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And that's subjective. Everyone has their favorite things.

Which torque monsters are you referring to that you had? The 302 Windsor (guess based on your forum name)?
While I did have 5 liter Mustangs from the 80's and 90's. I don't consider that a torque monster. I was referring to someone who may have had a big block car from the late 60's or early 70's.
 

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While I did have 5 liter Mustangs from the 80's and 90's. I don't consider that a torque monster. I was referring to someone who may have had a big block car from the late 60's or early 70's.
Fair enough. Not saying those don't have a lot of torque (they generally do), but the tires on those cars were generally pretty crap compared to even a modern AS, if tire roasting torque at low rpm is the metric.

Also...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ho...orsepower-ford-428-cobra-jet-really-make/amp/

365 hp and 452 lb-ft at the crank. Fantastic for the time and one to remember fondly. That said, my 15 Coyote makes, conservatively, 485 hp and 440 lb ft at the crank, with cats. Just sayin...
 

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Fair enough. Not saying those don't have a lot of torque (they generally do), but the tires on those cars were generally pretty crap compared to even a modern AS, if tire roasting torque at low rpm is the metric.

Also...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ho...orsepower-ford-428-cobra-jet-really-make/amp/

365 hp and 452 lb-ft at the crank. Fantastic for the time and one to remember fondly. That said, my 15 Coyote makes, conservatively, 485 hp and 440 lb ft at the crank, with cats. Just sayin...
The cars today make plenty of power - including the Mustang. But it would be nice to have like 1 more liter lol.
 

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I'd like to see the 7.3 OHV go into a Boss special edition Mustang with an aluminum block tuned to 550 horsepower and 550 lb-ft of torque. It would be nice to see before V8's start to become less common.
 

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A year and a half ago I finished restoring a '66 Corvette 427 BB coupe. Speaking of old 60's BB technology....man I love the torque that somebitch lays down. When I hit 4000 rpm's I'm fully satisfied to go ahead and shift to the next gear. It's an experience similar to having a twin screw or roots blower on a mod motor only different. My blown/stroked '05 will smoke that Corvette, but the 427 just has a personality of it's own. Love that N/A torque.
 

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A year and a half ago I finished restoring a '66 Corvette 427 BB coupe. Speaking of old 60's BB technology....man I love the torque that somebitch lays down. When I hit 4000 rpm's I'm fully satisfied to go ahead and shift to the next gear. It's an experience similar to having a twin screw or roots blower on a mod motor only different. My blown/stroked '05 will smoke that Corvette, but the 427 just has a personality of it's own. Love that N/A torque.
This man get's it!
To get this feeling, you must bolt on a blower to a Coyote and hope and pray it stays together.
 

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This man get's it!
To get this feeling, you must bolt on a blower to a Coyote and hope and pray it stays together.
There are hundreds of supercharged Coyotes that have no issue staying together.
 
 
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