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None of those are offered in manual transmission :(. I'll never consider a car without a manual. With my manual 2021 mach 1 HP, and a manual 2022 miata club BBR on the way, it's looking like i'll be stuck with my final garage pretty soon...
Iā€™m pretty positive the black wing is a manual or at least options one
 

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What about the Lexus RC F, or the Jag F-Type, or the Blackwing, or AMG Mercs, or the BMW M5? Yeah, I know, those are not "pony" cars, but I suspect that there will be a few V8s out there for at least a few more years ...
True, but the most affordable would be the Mustang.
 

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I Bet chevy comes out with a electric camaro. I cant see stellantis doing any ev's yet.

Im not against a ev sports car. But i will miss the sound a v8 makes. My biggist issue with EV's is range, lack of infrastructure of the supply grid and charging stations outside of California. For me i could get away with it for work. My wife couldnt even make a round trip to work and back in the winter with the longest range car i know about. And forget road trips....
Yeah, currently I think most people who have pure EVs (not hybrids) are using them for commuting in the city or suburbs which probably totals 30 miles or so which means it's not an issue for them to just plug it in when they get home from work each day. I think it's impractical to use it if you commute 60+ miles each way because unless you have a high rate charger at home it won't fully charge by the morning. Also, as you stated, the infrastructure isn't great as maybe 10% of all vehicles are pure EVs so you really have to plan your route carefully if you're taking a road trip cross country. Not so with ICE or hybrid vehicles.
 

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Iā€™m pretty sure, as I read a few months ago, dodge has their replacement for the hellcatā€¦called the hydraā€¦something it runs on hydrogen and was already making over 800hp before tuningā€¦it is a v8
 

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Iā€™m pretty positive the black wing is a manual or at least options one
My bad I missed the blackwing. Not in a segment I would ever consider though (sedan, 4 doors).
 

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I hate the idea of EVs, particularly in a sports car, but Iā€™m getting old and my 21 year old son, who loves cars and had a cammed LS3 C6, would buy a Tesla Plaid in a minute if he could afford it. Iā€™m reminded of the recent thread about an EB vs GTā€¦ That mostly fell along age lines. Young adults simply do not think of Mustangs the way we who were teens in the 60s/70s do. As far as Mustangs go, if its not a V8, I donā€™t want it. But Iā€™d be all for a totally different, smaller car, like a modern Probe GT with a 400hp 4 or 6cyl, or even an EV with fake Noise and vibrations. šŸ˜¬
 

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It is also affordability. Younger generation is screwed financially, doesnā€™t seem wise to buy a gas guzzling machine when they canā€™t even afford a car in first place.

canā€™t blame them for wanting cheapest cost per gallon if car prices werenā€™t all jacked up.
 

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EVs will get more range and better infrastructure in time. Also more and more automakers will come out with their own designed EV. So you will in time be able to buy a EV that fits your taste and have longer range battery. These problems will be solved regardless out the naysayers. The only thing up for debate is how many years it will take. So if range is the only issue, just wait tell the end of this decade.

With that said My biggest issue will always be sound. Even if they make a electric motor louder, every performance EV will sound the same. what makes ICE so great is that you can build the engine to have a completely different sounds and driving characteristics. I wanted a mustang because it had a V8 engine, not only because it was fast. Anything can be fast....
None of that matters ā€¦power grid will never hold all electric without a crap load of nuclearā€¦.not to mention what it would do to poor people to have to purchase a EV and keep it charged. There will never be an alternative for the jet engine least not in next 100 years and as long as there is a jet engine there will be a internal combustion engine. If they can make an electric car that will go 600 miles and charge in 30 minutes you might have something but that ainā€™t happening. China is buying up precious metals all over the world so we will have to sell our soul more so than now to have a EV. The answer is an alternative fuel source like biodiesel and hybrids. JMO
 

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None of that matters ā€¦power grid will never hold all electric without a crap load of nuclearā€¦.not to mention what it would do to poor people to have to purchase a EV and keep it charged. There will never be an alternative for the jet engine least not in next 100 years and as long as there is a jet engine there will be a internal combustion engine. If they can make an electric car that will go 600 miles and charge in 30 minutes you might have something but that ainā€™t happening. China is buying up precious metals all over the world so we will have to sell our soul more so than now to have a EV. The answer is an alternative fuel source like biodiesel and hybrids. JMO
Wouldnā€™t surprise me if they give poor people electric cars as promissory for voting certain parties.
 

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None of that matters ā€¦power grid will never hold all electric without a crap load of nuclearā€¦.not to mention what it would do to poor people to have to purchase a EV and keep it charged. There will never be an alternative for the jet engine least not in next 100 years and as long as there is a jet engine there will be a internal combustion engine. If they can make an electric car that will go 600 miles and charge in 30 minutes you might have something but that ainā€™t happening. China is buying up precious metals all over the world so we will have to sell our soul more so than now to have a EV. The answer is an alternative fuel source like biodiesel and hybrids. JMO

Yea like I said, time is the only thing up for debate. With a long enough time horizon anything is possible. The things we do today were unconceivable 100 years ago.

I do see a world where hybrids, E-fuels, hydrogen, solar, nuclear, and maybe a new technology we haven't discovered yet will be used. One thing I can guaranteed is that a V8 mustang running on dinosaur fuel won`t be a thing. But E-fuels should keep the ICE engine alive for enthusiast in the long term.
 

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None of that matters ā€¦power grid will never hold all electric without a crap load of nuclearā€¦.not to mention what it would do to poor people to have to purchase a EV and keep it charged. There will never be an alternative for the jet engine least not in next 100 years and as long as there is a jet engine there will be a internal combustion engine. If they can make an electric car that will go 600 miles and charge in 30 minutes you might have something but that ainā€™t happening. China is buying up precious metals all over the world so we will have to sell our soul more so than now to have a EV. The answer is an alternative fuel source like biodiesel and hybrids. JMO
I've always thought a diesel over electric plug-in hybrid was the best way to go. If you have the opportunity to charge from any power source, you're probably ahead. And a diesel engine matched to a small generator would handle a lot of range anxiety. (Nobody drives more than 400 miles at a time without a break equal to charging time, except for truckers). But 150 miles of electric range with another 150 in reserve would meet the needs of 90% of the driving public.
 

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I had no problem doing 700 miles non-stop except 5 minutes to splash some fuel in the tank.
Solo, fine. Add a wife, 2 kids, and dog or two and things change drastically. You're the minority in terms of general usage in that scenario. And 700 miles with a 5 min stop would likely be similar for a diesel hybrid.
 

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And 700 miles with a 5 min stop would likely be similar for a diesel hybrid.
no argument. Diesel without the bullsh*t DEF or particulate myopia is the correct answer for pretty much everything. Hybrids with ~30 mile batt range are also the answer to eco-weenie wet dreams but no, it's not good enough for their unhinged utopian fantasies and doom porn.
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