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It seems they're building upon the previous test with just the Z and Mach 1 (as they re-use the performance test data), but given the extra contenders and new content, I figured it was worth a new thread. They also touch on how/why the Mach 1 might have been slower than previous ones they've tested, but I don't think the explanation is probably sufficient on it's own... I doubt 91 octane robs you of THAT much power vs 93.

... And I still wish they had tested the non-handling-pack Mach 1.

https://www.caranddriver.com/review...nissan-z-vs-2022-toyota-gr-supra-30-compared/

 

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I find the data invalid on the Mach1, I'm sorry. Car and Driver ran 0-60 in 4.1 with a PP2 car with the worse ratios of the MT82D4. It also did 0-100 in 9.4 seconds and the 1320 in [email protected] Something was amiss with the Mach...has to be.
 

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I noticed that they optioned the Mach 1 with the rear seat delete and then give it a 0 under the rear seat category, lol. Probably wanted the scores to be more tightly packed, I guess. I haven't sat in an M240i but i've heard backseat room is pretty similar to the Mustang now?

I'm surprised C&D liked the Mach 1 the most though, considering how much praise I've seen them give the Supra.
 

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I noticed that they optioned the Mach 1 with the rear seat delete and then give it a 0 under the rear seat category, lol. Probably wanted the scores to be more tightly packed, I guess. I haven't sat in an M240i but i've heard backseat room is pretty similar to the Mustang now?

I'm surprised C&D liked the Mach 1 the most though, considering how much praise I've seen them give the Supra.

The M240i actually has better rear seating than the Mustang. I would consider the M240i if they offered a manual.
 

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Yikes, 13.0 @ 108 mph in the 1/4 mile. $61k to barely outrun a V6 6th gen Camaro or 2002 Camaro SS. Good grief, I hope something was wrong with the Mach 1 because that time and trap speed doesn't cut it for 2022.
 


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Yikes, 13.0 @ 108 mph in the 1/4 mile. $61k to barely outrun a V6 6th gen Camaro or 2002 Camaro SS. Good grief, I hope something was wrong with the Mach 1 because that time and trap speed doesn't cut it for 2022.
See the first reply as well as the discussion in the other Z vs Mach 1 thread. Something was definitely wrong with that Mach 1 (or the driver, or both). Those numbers aren't quite right.
 

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Having driven an M240i it’s an absolute hoot to drive. Very quick, handles well, and I don’t think it is as uncomfortable as they make it out to be. Oh, and in today’s land of $5.00+ gas, it will get or exceed the advertised 32 MPG highway and over 20 city. Heck, my wife’s X3 M40i is rated at 26 MPG highway and gets 28+ all day long and 20+in the city

With that said, the Mach 1 would be the car I’d want to own out of the four. Styling and performance along with that amazing V-8 sound. 10/10 in the coolness factor.
 

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Nice article/comparison.

The M240i would be the choice for me if it were available with a manual transmission. The Z keeps getting mixed reviews; I wonder what the real-world experiences will reveal once enough people own those cars.
 
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The Z is also the cheapest of all the options.

For the difference you can get better rubber and an inline tool to add a few PSI and still be the cheapest.
The problem is the Z needs upgrades, and the Mach 1 is over upgraded. It almost certainly doesn't need the handling pack to be the faster, more fun car.
 

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The car that is going to be a hoot and will be available in a manual is the upcoming BMW M2. If they come near the same pricing of the out going M2 it will be in the $60K range before ADM's hit. It will have the newer S58 engine slightly detuned to 450hp but will be lighter than the M4.
 
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I noticed that they optioned the Mach 1 with the rear seat delete and then give it a 0 under the rear seat category, lol. Probably wanted the scores to be more tightly packed, I guess. I haven't sat in an M240i but i've heard backseat room is pretty similar to the Mustang now?

I'm surprised C&D liked the Mach 1 the most though, considering how much praise I've seen them give the Supra.
They get what Ford sends them, and it doesn't really make sense to give a car missing rear seats anything but a zero lol.

See the first reply as well as the discussion in the other Z vs Mach 1 thread. Something was definitely wrong with that Mach 1 (or the driver, or both). Those numbers aren't quite right.
“Granny shifting, not double-clutching like you should.”
 

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They get what Ford sends them, and it doesn't really make sense to give a car missing rear seats anything but a zero lol.
True, but consider how many people actually opt for the seat delete when ordering (not many) and that scoring is kind of weird. Not even a mention of it from them.

Then again, their Mach 1 test numbers seem way off so I suppose it's not really the most accurate thing to begin with here.
 

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The car that is going to be a hoot and will be available in a manual is the upcoming BMW M2. If they come near the same pricing of the out going M2 it will be in the $60K range before ADM's hit. It will have the newer S58 engine slightly detuned to 450hp but will be lighter than the M4.
I didn't buy an Eco because I can't afford a GT. I bought it because I couldn't afford an M2. My car is much more M2 ClubSport than GT wannabe.

You're right, though, that new one will be a really cool car.
 

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“Granny shifting, not double-clutching like you should.”
Are you (whoever originally wrote it) driving a stake bed truck with a split axle? Quit making this more difficult than it needs to be.
 

 
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