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You can't compare cost of parts like that. Business is not for charity but for profit. Limited editions cost extra. Parts deemed as better, more powerful etc. cost extra. Why do carbon parts or ceramic brakes cost a small fortune? Because their manufactureres or the car manufacturers know they can sell it for those money to the right people.

There's always the choice to take the old parts out, sell them and replace them with better oem or aftermarket parts. You will probably save money, especially if you'll do the work yourself. And it'll probably work well. I did that before myself with my Mini Cooper S. You just can't ignore that some people will choose the factory way with warranty for more money, it's hassle free and also there's calibration you can't easily replace. Not everyone is dismantling cars for most of their life, but that doesn't mean they can't appreciate the car at its max potential.
IMO, yes you can buy a base GT and add everything yourself or have a mechanic do it an save lots of money over the Mach 1 but it will never be as good and tight as if you bought it all done from the factory. So you pay more but will have way less headaches. Your time is worth money too.
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If ya do the math the mach 1 is a lot closer to 500hp which everyone with half a brain already knew. And the reason for that is simple, on a gEN 2 car with the frpp stage 3 kit which is what the bullitt and mach 1 have. It was Officially rated at 478hp and with all the advancements with the gEN 3 engine we got another 2hp

yeah okay ford
 
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What you’re saying is the Mach 1 should have been $25k more than it currently is. Speaking for myself, I wouldn’t have been interested. The car you’re describing already exists. Dct, big power………gt500.

You may think that car you’re dreaming of slots in nicely between the two shelbys and maybe it does. But that’s not what Ford intended the Mach 1 to be. Ive said it before on here and I guess it has to be repeated. The only people disappointed in the Mach 1 are those that did not pay attention from the beginning as to what this car was going to be.
I’ve been very critical of the mach 1 for being very parts bin special and rather well boring but i gotta say you’re 100 percent correct here. The mach 1 is expensive as is, what i would of liked for them do have done is one of these two things
1) cnc machine the heads
2) use a 93mm stroke to get it too 5.2 liters, in both situation it would of cleared 500hp no problem and it wouldn’t of costed them an arm and a leg
 

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I’ve been very critical of the mach 1 for being very parts bin special and rather well boring but i gotta say you’re 100 percent correct here. The mach 1 is expensive as is, what i would of liked for them do have done is one of these two things
1) cnc machine the heads
2) use a 93mm stroke to get it too 5.2 liters, in both situation it would of cleared 500hp no problem and it wouldn’t of costed them an arm and a leg
I would have liked that too. The problem is that would have complicated their ability to certify it for the export market. An n/a 5.2 cross plane crank and gt350 brakes would have made this car perfect, but unfortunately too expensive and difficult to sell overseas.
 

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If ya do the math the mach 1 is a lot closer to 500hp which everyone with half a brain already knew. And the reason for that is simple, on a gEN 2 car with the frpp stage 3 kit which is what the bullitt and mach 1 have. It was Officially rated at 478hp and with all the advancements with the gEN 3 engine we got another 2hp

yeah okay ford
What are you talking about. 18+ are Gen3 460 hp

Bulitt and Mach 1 basically just have the GT350 intake manifold, TB, and CAI for 480 hp.

All 18+ gen3 engines are dual injected. Direct and Port injected along with 12:1 compression.

Gen2s are not dual injected, nor 12:1 compression.
 

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What are you talking about. 18+ are Gen3 460 hp

Bulitt and Mach 1 basically just have the GT350 intake manifold, TB, and CAI for 480 hp.

All 18+ gen3 engines are dual injected. Direct and Port injected along with 12:1 compression.

Gen2s are not dual injected, nor 12:1 compression.
The FRPP3 for the gen2 cars had 472hp, not 478 at the crank. The reason they’re only 8hp less than the stock Bullitt/M1 is that the owner agrees to only use 91+ octane, so the (aftermarket) spark curve is more aggressive than on a car that has to live on 87 if a clueless owner uses that in a 5/60 warrantied product. Same bolt ons, different tune requirements, somewhat different engine.

The Bullitt/M1 has around 480, not 500 hp. If Ford were underrating it like that we’d see faster trap speeds in these cars with two different manual trannys: 115 (C&D). They (C&D) got 4 manual 18+ GTs at 114-115, 3 15-17s at 112-113. If the gen 2 has 435 and the gen 3 460-470, 480 for the B/M1 is about right.
 

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why is a gen2 being compared at all. Its lower compression, not dual injected, the heads are not as good as gen3s and IIRC the cams are smaller gen2 vs gen3 also.

I dont care what a "bolton Gen2" makes.
 

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why is a gen2 being compared at all. Its lower compression, not dual injected, the heads are not as good as gen3s and IIRC the cams are smaller gen2 vs gen3 also.

I dont care what a "bolton Gen2" makes.
This is all true, I prob should have replied to “Hugh” directly. He’s confused why the gen2 frpp3 makes only slightly less hp than the B/M1.
 

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https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2021/2021-ford-mustang-mach-1-first-test-review/

Test results starting to trickle in… this article lists a lot of comparisons to the GT350 since that’s what everyone wants to talk about I guess.

Manual HP 0-60: 4.2, same as a GT, GT350 was 4.0 for Motortrend.

1/4 mile: 12.6 seconds at 113.1 mph, GT350 12.3 seconds at 117.0.

Braking 60-0: 96 ft, GT350 95 ft.

Skidpad: 1.05g, GT350 1.04g.

Figure 8: 23.7 sec, GT350 23.6.

So probably as we expected, similar handling but down on power compared to the GT350, and better handling than a GT. No big surprises except maybe how well the Mach 1 performed in braking.

EDIT - UPDATE: Just for grins I looked at Motor Trend's testing of a 2018 Camaro SS 1LE and the numbers are pretty astounding - as good or better than the GT350. Without question the bang for your buck winner, if cost vs performance is your only consideration.

0-60: 4.1 sec
1/4 mile: 12.5 at 115.2
Braking 60-0: 93 feet
Skidpad: 1.12 g's
Figure 8: 22.9 sec
 
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Test results starting to trickle in… this article lists a lot of comparisons to the GT350 since that’s what everyone wants to talk about I guess.

Manual HP 0-60: 4.2, same as a GT, GT350 was 4.0 for Motortrend.

1/4 mile: 12.6 seconds at 113.1 mph, GT350 12.3 seconds at 117.0.

Braking 60-0: 96 ft, GT350 95 ft.

Skidpad: 1.05g, GT350 1.04g.

Figure 8: 23.7 sec, GT350 23.6.

So probably as we expected, similar handling but down on power compared to the GT350, and better handling than a GT. No big surprises except maybe how well the Mach 1 performed in braking.
Add that the M1 has better track endurance than any stock GT or GT with PPs, and this completes the picture!
 

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Add that the M1 has better track endurance than any stock GT or GT with PPs, and this completes the picture!
The conclusion to the Motortrend review is encouraging to those interested in a Mach:

“There's the spirit of a Shelby in the Mach 1 that makes it more than a sum of its parts. We already miss the GT350 and GT350R, but the Mach 1 is a worthy replacement. And at just $53,915 to start, it's a screaming deal compared to the $60,000-plus commanded by the last GT350s, too. If you can, you should pick one up—it's a hell of a Mustang.”

Basically contradicting the main arguments in the “Mach 1 is a ripoff” thread of it’s a parts bin car, it’s not comparable to the GT350, and it’s overpriced.
 
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IMO, yes you can buy a base GT and add everything yourself or have a mechanic do it an save lots of money over the Mach 1 but it will never be as good and tight as if you bought it all done from the factory. So you pay more but will have way less headaches. Your time is worth money too.
And lets not forget, a Factory Warranty on all of that equipment and labor.
 

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It takes some kind of Olympic mind twisting to read that, then see the as tested price of $64,860, but well, here we are.
Very annoying when the magazines do this! Doubly so when the As Tested vehicle is equipped with a serious upgrade like the HP. The HP like the GT PP2 cars, have an extremely wide and (almost cheater) sticky tires! That is going to feel different, and have an effect on your wallet in running costs compared with the base car.

Solid 10K difference between base price and as tested in this case, DEDXXXX is right, just egregious!
 

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Very annoying when the magazines do this! Doubly so when the As Tested vehicle is equipped with a serious upgrade like the HP. The HP like the GT PP2 cars, have an extremely wide and (almost cheater) sticky tires! That is going to feel different, and have an effect on your wallet in running costs compared with the base car.

Solid 10K difference between base price and as tested in this case, DEDXXXX is right, just egregious!
Yeah and how about this contradiction, one sentence right after the other:

"The engine sounds delicious, but it's not what I would call snappy and responsive. One of the quickest, most confident Mustangs we've ever tested on the figure eight. "

So one of the quickest Mustangs they ever tested doesn't have a snappy or responsive engine? Which one is it? Weird.
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