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I wonder if carving corners can relate to tracking...... lots of cars considered to be track cars come staggered
Look in the road race section. Most if not all fastest laps are on a square setup.

 

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Ford must have screwed up with the GT350 and the GT500. Corvette must have screwed up with the Grand Sport..... is this comment from the experience?

Faster cornering with a staggered set up ?????
That’s stupid and an oxymoron since understeer is listed in the con…, it’s a Mustang, not a Porsche
 

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With that having been said, I am sure all Mustang drivers are carving canyons. :) Thus the PP cars exist for those that don't.

Look in the road race section. Most if not all fastest laps are on a square setup.
 

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To be honest, I think it boils down to personal preference. Most don't drive on the street where they need the best of "anything".
 

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Ford must have screwed up with the GT350 and the GT500. Corvette must have screwed up with the Grand Sport..... is this comment from the experience?
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Are you saying that the 350 and especially the 500 are not understeering cars that need more camber and rubber in front ?
 


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Most don't drive on the street where they need the best of "anything".
Very true. Square allows you to rotate tires. I like to get all the miles I can out of a set.
 

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With that having been said, I am sure all Mustang drivers are carving canyons. :) Thus the PP cars exist for those that don't.
What?

I run staggered and the car handles very well carving MT roads, no canyons is GA.

Staggered the tire is rotated L to R or across.

OP 10.5/11.0 stagger
 

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Not saying that at all but we do have to keep in mind the conditions where understeering comes into play and matters. I haven't run into a situation on the street where understeering really mattered...but hey that is just me. I am for square for those that want square and the ability to rotate and I am for staggered that want something other than being able to rotate tires. I never see the need to actually justify something just because it is what "I have". I like to bring in options....

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Are you saying that the 350 and especially the 500 are not understeering cars that need more camber and rubber in front ?
 

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I agree that is a great reason to run square.

Very true. Square allows you to rotate tires. I like to get all the miles I can out of a set.
 

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You missed the sarcasm in my statement and the previous ones. We are actually in agreement :)

What?

I run staggered and the car handles very well carving MT roads, no canyons is GA.

Staggered the tire is rotated L to R or across.

OP 10.5/11.0 stagger
 

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You missed the sarcasm in my statement and the previous ones. We are actually in agreement :) I am staggered also and in Georgia.
 

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Ford must have screwed up with the GT350 and the GT500. Corvette must have screwed up with the Grand Sport..... is this comment from the experience?
Corvettes are an entirely different chassis, and they don't have as much weight over the front axle, so they don't need quite as much front tire. Heavy front end needs a bigger front tire to work. Our cars have a 52/48 weight balance, and when you're driving hard, the front tires do a lot more work than the rear tires (besides carrying most of the weight, they do most of the turning and braking, the rear tires only have to accelerate), so there's a good reason why you want just as big of a front tire as a rear tire for sporting purposes. Drive hard around a track or on a canyon road and your front tires will be hotter than your rear tires.

Ford needs to keep it's cars safe for the masses, and that means terminal understeer at the limit. That's why many models are staggered. Also, big rear tires on the top of the lineup are nice, but the front wheel wells from 2015 just don't allow the same big wide 305+ tires without sacrificing things which Ford won't do (like darty highway manners, highway MPG, and tight clearances to the struts and fenders).

But we're not talking about GT350s and GT500s here we're talking normal GTs, where square works just fine in a 10" wheel with a 285 tire, which is still bigger in the rear than the PP1 cars come with. What's not to like?
 

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You don't have to convince me :) Nothing at all wrong with staggered. My other posts are in agreement with you.

Corvettes are an entirely different chassis, and they don't have as much weight over the front axle, so they don't need quite as much front tire. Heavy front end needs a bigger front tire to work. Our cars have a 52/48 weight balance, and when you're driving hard, the front tires do a lot more work than the rear tires (besides carrying most of the weight, they do most of the turning and braking, the rear tires only have to accelerate), so there's a good reason why you want just as big of a front tire as a rear tire for sporting purposes. Drive hard around a track or on a canyon road and your front tires will be hotter than your rear tires.

Ford needs to keep it's cars safe for the masses, and that means terminal understeer at the limit. That's why many models are staggered. Also, big rear tires on the top of the lineup are nice, but the front wheel wells from 2015 just don't allow the same big wide 305+ tires without sacrificing things which Ford won't do (like darty highway manners, highway MPG, and tight clearances to the struts and fenders).

But we're not talking about GT350s and GT500s here we're talking normal GTs, where square works just fine in a 10" wheel with a 285 tire, which is still bigger in the rear than the PP1 cars come with. What's not to like?
 

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Staggered for the big 325 meat in the rear. Looks great! :like:

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Once you start changing the suspension bits and settings, you can lessen the natural understeer from a staggered setup.
 

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I have 285s up front. Looking to do the modifications to put 305s on next year. While I don't track the car, I do enjoy ripping through the mountains, but mainly just want better rear wheel traction when I get heavy on the pedal on the street.
 

 
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