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Current S550 oem tunes have that Dyno mode. I seen it in my tune.
This is what it looks like. It essentially disables cat protect and substitutes higher knock advance limits when on a chassis dyno. This scared the crap out of me the first time I experienced it because I had carefully tuned my timing and limited knock advance to 2 deg and then watched it go to 6 on the dyno.

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This is what it looks like. It essentially disables cat protect and substitutes higher knock advance limits when on a chassis dyno. This scared the crap out of me the first time I experienced it because I had carefully tuned my timing and limited knock advance to 2 deg and then watched it go to 6 on the dyno.

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I think this may only be in the Whipple cals where have "race mode" which changes lambda and spark when it detects it is on a dyno, which is why the advertised hp numbers don't necessarily match the mph at the track.

Dyno mode is another good one though.

I believe the enable condition is "front wheels not moving, rear wheels moving" and it stops the ABS from faulting on wheel speed.

From looking at the assembler code it looks as though you can enable dyno mode via a sequence of events with the gear shifter. There is even a number we mapped in PCMTEC here

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auF57380 Select reverse for Dyno Mode activation this many times. 6

If you go above 10kph (via the front wheels) or turn the steering wheel more than 80° it will exit dyno mode.

Nice find that might save you guys so time looking for the party plug.
 
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I think this may only be in the Whipple cals where have "race mode" which changes lambda and spark when it detects it is on a dyno, which is why the advertised hp numbers don't necessarily match the mph at the track.

Dyno mode is another good one though.

I believe the enable condition is "front wheels not moving, rear wheels moving" and it stops the ABS from faulting on wheel speed.

From looking at the assembler code it looks as though you can enable dyno mode via a sequence of events with the gear shifter. There is even a number we mapped in PCMTEC here

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auF57380 Select reverse for Dyno Mode activation this many times. 6

If you go above 10kph (via the front wheels) or turn the steering wheel more than 80° it will exit dyno mode.

Nice find that might save you guys so time looking for the party plug.
So are we to conclude that unplugging the dyno plug will result in the same tune adjustments? Seems that there are two parts to this, the elimination of the pesky steering and advance trac stuff, but then seems like there's output implications.

What I'm asking is would a car that simply unplugs the dyno plug have more timing and less cat protections in place vs one that did pulls via the "dyno mode."?
 

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So are we to conclude that unplugging the dyno plug will result in the same tune adjustments? ...What I'm asking is would a car that simply unplugs the dyno plug have more timing and less cat protections in place vs one that did pulls via the "dyno mode."?
No, I believe that dyno mode, a Ford OEM function, works the same as unplugging the ABS plug under the hood except it's activated and deactivated by a series of driver action. Nothing happens to the tune.

Race mode is only a Whipple OS function. It is activated when the rear wheels spin and fronts don't, and it changes COT lambda limits and max knock advance thereby potentially increasing power output in that specific situation.
 
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No, I believe that dyno mode, a Ford OEM function, works the same as unplugging the ABS plug under the hood except it's activated and deactivated by a series of driver action. Nothing happens to the tune.

Race mode is only a Whipple OS function. It is activated when the rear wheels spin and fronts don't, and it changes COT lambda limits and max knock advance thereby potentially increasing power output in that specific situation.
Would there be any REASONABLE explanation? Cause it smells an awful lot like a marketing gimmick to pump dyno numbers.
 

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Would there be any REASONABLE explanation? Cause it smells an awful lot like a marketing gimmick to pump dyno numbers.
If it smells like a pig and looks like a pig...

This wouldn't surprise me.
 
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All these gyrations, just to get it to work. Apparently the Mexicans have better encryption than anyone else. A transmission that spans two giants of the automotive world and apparently either no one is interested in cracking the TCM (between the C8 and the GT500) or they've tried and just can't.

But everyone is convinced they'll crack Ford's latest PCM (which is several years newer than the DCT TCM encryption). The only wild card here is AI and whether or not it can be employed effectively to help solve the problem (and/or whether it's employed on the other side in the encryption).
 

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The only wild card here is AI and whether or not it can be employed effectively to help solve the problem (and/or whether it's employed on the other side in the encryption).
Is it weird that I kinda want to see an AI vs AI battle here?
 

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All these gyrations, just to get it to work. Apparently the Mexicans have better encryption than anyone else. A transmission that spans two giants of the automotive world and apparently either no one is interested in cracking the TCM (between the C8 and the GT500) or they've tried and just can't.
Didn't a shop claim to have the GT500 TCM cracked a week or two ago?
 

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No, I believe that dyno mode, a Ford OEM function, works the same as unplugging the ABS plug under the hood except it's activated and deactivated by a series of driver action. Nothing happens to the tune.

Race mode is only a Whipple OS function. It is activated when the rear wheels spin and fronts don't, and it changes COT lambda limits and max knock advance thereby potentially increasing power output in that specific situation.
Kinda fascinating that nobody has noticed this before. No wonder people get such high dyno numbers with these cars. I thought my car was sub par or something for barely cracking 400 on the dyno, but I didn't know about the plug at that time and I got the typical ABS freakout.

Obviously every dyno is different, but it always seemed crazy people were hitting like 430+ on relatively stock setups. Having 10-20HP just hiding in plain sight as the cherry on top is a nice way to make people feel good, lol.
 

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Of course, but that's all it will ever be. Unless Ford and Whipple (or Procharger, Eaton, etc) can find a way to create a CARB compliant flex fuel tune.
It is absolutely possible and as a company I'd love to work with them to provide it. Getting the right contacts and making a business case to do so is the hard part. I assume enough people will buy the stock kit and be happy with it that it doesn't make business sense for them to go any further (unless people start paying 15k+ for a kit).

I heard rumours that someone did try and offer a flex kit however they had problems with passing emissions (as I believe they relied on using wideband feedback not a true flex sensor like we use).

From what I can gather, the test mule DH on new Whipple kit put out 713 rwhp.

All I can say is DAYUM. Talk about the end of an era. I can't imagine dropping $60k and another $10k on top to end up with 713 rwhp.

If you know any hackers or dark web operatives tell them to get going on cracking the Ford vehicle management system.
The return on investment reverse engineering these new ECUs is awful, most people do it as a challenge or just to show off. You could potentially drop a million dollars with no result. You have to sell a lot of credits for that to make sense. I think if people are willing to start accepting a premium price for a tune (eg > $1k) this would encourage development. Gone are the days of $300 tunes.

When I say there needs to be a desire for an unlock I don't mean people who have money ready and want to buy a tune from Lund. I mean there needs to be enough people on the platform who are willing to spend the time understanding and decoding the encryption at home, on their own time to develop an exploit. Those type of people are few and far between sadly.
There are more than you think of these people, however it is FAR more lucrative to do the same thing in other industries, eg work as a contractor NSA (any cyber team in the five eyes group) or privately doing bug bounties, or grey hat work for cyber security companies.

If you want to read about what it takes have a read of the guy who cracked SIMOS. He did this for kudos and I guarantee you someone like that is making close to half a million a year working for someone in a different industry.

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Palm Beach Dyno dynoed Kelly Aiken's S650, 93 octane, 3.8 pulley

27 more hp with octane booster than the highest 93 pull, same pulley

another 22 hp on top of that with the 3.7 pulley

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Imagine putting your $$ down for one of these kits last year and still being told they aren't going to ship until the end of June
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