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From my research. And while this was way more common in previous generations. It can still happen with the s550. What can happen is when you are in fishtail from a burn out the AdvanceTrac can at times not see you are in control and actually turning appropriately into the slide start applying brakes and controlling tq in the direction you are already steering in correctly thus creating a huge oversteer in the direction your wheels are already turned causing an almost impossible uncorrectable spinout. Even if you have turned AdvanceTrac off it has been known to kick back in and making it even more unexpected. Letting off the gas will stop it immediately but as you are thinking you are in control many don't until to late.

Watching the video of the blue stang this looks like what happened. He was in a slide, turned correctly into it AdvanceTrac applied its nannies and created a huge oversteer that was unexpected and uncorrectable.
 

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From my research. And while this was way more common in previous generations. It can still happen with the s550. What can happen is when you are in fishtail from a burn out the AdvanceTrac can at times not see you are in control and actually turning appropriately into the slide start applying brakes and controlling tq in the direction you are already steering in correctly thus creating a huge oversteer in the direction your wheels are already turned causing an almost impossible uncorrectable spinout. Even if you have turned AdvanceTrac off it has been known to kick back in and making it even more unexpected. Letting off the gas will stop it immediately but as you are thinking you are in control many don't until to late.

Watching the video of the blue stang this looks like what happened. He was in a slide, turned correctly into it AdvanceTrac applied its nannies and created a huge oversteer that was unexpected and uncorrectable.
What are your sources?

It looks like the car just has p zeros that are worn out in the rear.
 

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Nope.....complete idiot. Don't buy a car you don't know how to drive. :crackup:
Yep, it's like some people shouldn't have guns for they are the ones who shoot some one and then say He Didn't Pull the Trigger, some people should not be able to chew bubble gum for they are the ones who try to walk and chew at the same time who end up choking to death on it. Society will never be able to weed out all of the idiots in this world. That's just the way it is.
 

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Missing? People are idiots and acting like hooligans. Cold performance tires on a cold day will cause a little pucker.
This almost happened to me yesterday. And I KNOW HOW TO DRIVE, as in, on a track, and I grew up snow driving and playing and drifting. I went to pass a slow SUV. Look in my sig… alignment and set up is way better then just good. I was already in 2nd about half throttle. I went 7/8 throttle and top of 2nd the rear completely snapped loose and I went over into her lane full sideways before I knew it, right in front of her probably 1 car length. And almost out of that lane into the curb. I had enough time to say shit 5 times as fast as I could before regaining control. Kept the wheel straight where I wanted to go. Didn’t overcorrect, let out easy even though my heart was in panic mode. I prob have it on my radar DashCam footage. (I’ll have to get a more accurate “shit” count on the replay) The pilot super sports aren’t great under 40 degrees, and mine are about due for replacement. Problem is nobody has them in 305/35/19 and 295/35/19 in stock because of Covid backlog. Same with winter (Michelin PS4 295 square) tires. You can’t get them in GT350 size right now, literally the only thing available are cup 2, worthless in winter cold, and those are terrible wear rating.
It can happen to anyone under the right conditions, out of nowhere, especially in cold weather with more than half to 3/4 worn tread. Granted I should not have been driving in tack mode without traction control. But with current tire wear it slips in just about any mode.
 
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Another one...

just keep advancetrac on you can pull 400+ foot burnouts if you keep it straight enough.
 
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If I can be allowed a slight derail of my own thread (but related) please read on.

Can anybody tell me accurately to what extent both TC and ESC are individually mitigated or disabled in each of the three modes sport, track and drag strip?

I‘ve read plenty of speculation and opinions here but I’ve never seen a post from someone who actually knows.
 

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This almost happened to me yesterday. And I KNOW HOW TO DRIVE, as in, on a track, and I grew up snow driving and playing and drifting. I went to pass a slow SUV. Look in my sig… alignment and set up is way better then just good. I was already in 2nd about half throttle. I went 7/8 throttle and top of 2nd the rear completely snapped loose and I went over into her lane full sideways before I knew it, right in front of her probably 1 car length. And almost out of that lane into the curb. I had enough time to say shit 5 times as fast as I could before regaining control. Kept the wheel straight where I wanted to go. Didn’t overcorrect, let out easy even though my heart was in panic mode. I prob have it on my radar DashCam footage. (I’ll have to get a more accurate “shit” count on the replay) The pilot super sports aren’t great under 40 degrees, and mine are about due for replacement. Problem is nobody has them in 305/35/19 and 295/35/19 in stock because of Covid backlog. Same with winter (Michelin PS4 295 square) tires. You can’t get them in GT350 size right now, literally the only thing available are cup 2, worthless in winter cold, and those are terrible wear rating.
It can happen to anyone under the right conditions, out of nowhere, especially in cold weather with more than half to 3/4 worn tread. Granted I should not have been driving in tack mode without traction control. But with current tire wear it slips in just about any mode.
Yep. Happend to me with pirelly pzero, rears worn probably 9/10. Fronts 5/10. I did not even accelerate significantly, but got into an unfamiliar freeway entrance ramp with reducing radius and that was it. I managed to regain controll while fishtailing in front of another vehicle.

I do admit though that you can find much more YouTube videos on Mustang fails than any other car.

Edit: I replaced rear tires, went to car control class at nearby class and had issues reproducing what happened to me at that freeway ramp.
 
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If I can be allowed a slight derail of my own thread (but related) please read on.

Can anybody tell me accurately to what extent both TC and ESC are individually mitigated or disabled in each of the three modes sport, track and drag strip?

I‘ve read plenty of speculation and opinions here but I’ve never seen a post from someone who actually knows.
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Heard a good one other day;
”the problem lies between the steering wheel and the seat!”
 

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There’s a couple things at play. One, this is the most popular sports car of all time. With quantities like that, you’re going to have issues. While Camaros weren’t being made, mustangs were crashing into crowds. Even since Camaros have come back, mustangs outsell like 5:1 (guess, no idea actual numbers) so obviously they will crash 5:1.

Also, it’s a RWD V8 with 460hp and 420ftlbs stock. That’s a lot for someone who doesn’t know what their doing, and it can get away from people who do know what their doing. I grew up on the track (albeit on two wheels) and my car has puckered up my butthole a time or two.

And finally, you have ESC, advancetrac, TC, A10 etc etc etc. that’s a ton of the car making decisions for you, and the car doesn’t always know your intent and can cause issues. Unless you’re in a manual with all that nonsense turned off, the car literally has a mind of its own.

So we have a TON of inexperienced drivers, in a high horsepower RWD car, that makes decisions for the driver…
 

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When I first got the car it stepped out on me a lot most scary was in a rain on the highway because of aquaplaning but I manage to catch it. The scariest thing was when I jumped a curb on the street but this was the time that the car didn't stepped out I just didn't see that the road was merging and my lain disappeared totally my fault and escaped the barrier by inches. Ether way my car stopped doing that when I get good tires (not the crapy PZero's) and did a good alignment with some Total Toe In in the back. This helped the car to not slide and as my brother put it broke the car as now you can't slide it even if you want which sometimes is annoying. Ether way good alignment is all is needed and good tires.
 

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I read an NHTSA report that showed V8 S550's have DOUBLE the rate of serious injury crashes than the Ecoboost or V6 models. Similar rates to cars of 20 years ago. Just proof that a lot of power means people are driving much faster, and their skill is a much bigger factor in car control.
 

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I find the s550 to be pretty composed. My stock C5 seems a bit more rowdy - the wider rear tires and shorter wheelbase make it a bit more twitchy, and the higher torque (not necessarily peak torque but the LS definitely makes more torque before 2.5-3k in a considerably lighter car) make it step out easier IMO.
 

 
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