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hinch
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will happily reply with all the facts in the world after you've bothered reading just a couple of theads about the people on here who've had issues and then i'm more than happy to fill in the rest but also in private not in public as I prefer people to make their own decisions once they understand the risks themselves.
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Ben_MAP
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Mr Hinch
For quite a long time, I have sat by and watched you spout your unsubstantiated drivel, aimed at my company, on this forum – I feel it is past time I had my say, and so I have made an account to do so.
I think; first, a little background might be in order – and so let's discuss my version of the interactions that we have ACTUALLY had with one another.
You were at the first Mustang meet that I ever attended. I remember very well pulling up to hear you revving your car for a small crowd, proudly advertising that you had just had your cats removed by welding straight pipe sections into your factory exhaust manifolds. 'Hillbilly engineering at its finest' – your words, not mine.
You proceeded to explain that you had over 600hp, cams, intake and full exhaust. All work carried out by yourself and tuned on your very own dynapac hub dyno (which at a later meet became your friends, and when I asked for confirmation, it was still your friends, but you had generously purchased it for him).
Since I've invested my entire working career into building cars, understanding cars and building, from scratch, a facility specifically to enhance cars for performance – I would have hoped that you might not take it personally when I failed to subscribe to your nonsense. But, unfortunately, you did and then proceeded to seed a hate campaign against my company. It does seem petty and a shame since you have never stepped foot in the place, asked for advice or had any interactions with us other than trying to tell me how it is. Looking around on here you often post nonsense and personally attack individuals with far more experience than yourself – I am glad to see it not to just me.
You refer to MAP as if talking about a large conglomerate, a faceless brand. I think it is important for everyone to understand that Motorsport and Performance is, in fact, a very small team of passionate, motivated, talented, and skilled individuals. Each time served, personally invested and accountable for the quality of their workmanship and who take it very personally if something does not quite go as expected.
Over the course of 10,000+ invoices, we have an exemplary success record and countless very happy customers. As with all things (and especially cars), not everything goes perfectly smoothly every time. In a sense, though, I am glad - I will go above and beyond to rectify any real issue for someone willing to give us the opportunity to do so, without any failures I wouldn’t get that opportunity at all – if a customer does not let us try, then there is little that can be done.
You claim that there are 'plenty' of people out there that have had issues with our work; unfortunately, I am not aware of them – I would ask anyone unhappy to let me know so I can fix it. I suspect though that your 'plenty' are more people who have been drawn into the garbage been spread about us by yourself and our competition since rumours and innuendo are yours and their only defence against the truth that is, we are excellent at what we do – which we prove day in day out, every single week.
I am pleased to see that you are finally going to attempt to add boost to your car. I am surprised you are outsourcing the install as well as the tune – for someone with so much keyboard experience I thought it might be well within your talents to complete the build yourself using your own facilities.
Either way, it doesn't matter – I will be watching your efforts from afar and very much look forward to pitting our cars against one another on the strip. I will be sure to let you have a go at the centrifugal charged cars that we have built and tuned (you are far from the first in the UK) before allowing some of my other customers to show you how it's done. Perhaps then you can line up against ASBO MAP, if you still have a taste for it. The last UK outing we attended, I wonder if anyone else showed up since me and my customers had such a good time with our reliable cars, and the competition sat in the pits head in laptops.
This post will be my standard reply to any posts you make about MAP in future, at least until you substantiate and backup your claims with actions … rather than banging away on your keyboard as if you have the first clue or an ounce of experience in what you are talking about.
Let me know when you are going to pod, I'll see you there.
Ben
For quite a long time, I have sat by and watched you spout your unsubstantiated drivel, aimed at my company, on this forum – I feel it is past time I had my say, and so I have made an account to do so.
I think; first, a little background might be in order – and so let's discuss my version of the interactions that we have ACTUALLY had with one another.
You were at the first Mustang meet that I ever attended. I remember very well pulling up to hear you revving your car for a small crowd, proudly advertising that you had just had your cats removed by welding straight pipe sections into your factory exhaust manifolds. 'Hillbilly engineering at its finest' – your words, not mine.
You proceeded to explain that you had over 600hp, cams, intake and full exhaust. All work carried out by yourself and tuned on your very own dynapac hub dyno (which at a later meet became your friends, and when I asked for confirmation, it was still your friends, but you had generously purchased it for him).
Since I've invested my entire working career into building cars, understanding cars and building, from scratch, a facility specifically to enhance cars for performance – I would have hoped that you might not take it personally when I failed to subscribe to your nonsense. But, unfortunately, you did and then proceeded to seed a hate campaign against my company. It does seem petty and a shame since you have never stepped foot in the place, asked for advice or had any interactions with us other than trying to tell me how it is. Looking around on here you often post nonsense and personally attack individuals with far more experience than yourself – I am glad to see it not to just me.
You refer to MAP as if talking about a large conglomerate, a faceless brand. I think it is important for everyone to understand that Motorsport and Performance is, in fact, a very small team of passionate, motivated, talented, and skilled individuals. Each time served, personally invested and accountable for the quality of their workmanship and who take it very personally if something does not quite go as expected.
Over the course of 10,000+ invoices, we have an exemplary success record and countless very happy customers. As with all things (and especially cars), not everything goes perfectly smoothly every time. In a sense, though, I am glad - I will go above and beyond to rectify any real issue for someone willing to give us the opportunity to do so, without any failures I wouldn’t get that opportunity at all – if a customer does not let us try, then there is little that can be done.
You claim that there are 'plenty' of people out there that have had issues with our work; unfortunately, I am not aware of them – I would ask anyone unhappy to let me know so I can fix it. I suspect though that your 'plenty' are more people who have been drawn into the garbage been spread about us by yourself and our competition since rumours and innuendo are yours and their only defence against the truth that is, we are excellent at what we do – which we prove day in day out, every single week.
I am pleased to see that you are finally going to attempt to add boost to your car. I am surprised you are outsourcing the install as well as the tune – for someone with so much keyboard experience I thought it might be well within your talents to complete the build yourself using your own facilities.
Either way, it doesn't matter – I will be watching your efforts from afar and very much look forward to pitting our cars against one another on the strip. I will be sure to let you have a go at the centrifugal charged cars that we have built and tuned (you are far from the first in the UK) before allowing some of my other customers to show you how it's done. Perhaps then you can line up against ASBO MAP, if you still have a taste for it. The last UK outing we attended, I wonder if anyone else showed up since me and my customers had such a good time with our reliable cars, and the competition sat in the pits head in laptops.
This post will be my standard reply to any posts you make about MAP in future, at least until you substantiate and backup your claims with actions … rather than banging away on your keyboard as if you have the first clue or an ounce of experience in what you are talking about.
Let me know when you are going to pod, I'll see you there.
Ben
hinch
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Suggest you go back 1 page and there's someone in this very thread having issues with you.
Just a thought. You keep on telling yourself that though. Suppose thats until the next new car takes your fancy and you become "specialists" in that too. You know like the old supra's and rotaries you were "specialists" in before mustangs.
Please do post up all the centri's you've tuned as clearly there's not a single one on any social media and / or been to any events where you know public have attended.
Unfortunately I've out sourced due to time constraints as no doubt you're familiar with and the tuning will be done by someone with actual experience and detailed knowledge of centri coyote's as I'm unwilling to risk the block. Its a shame all the bits sat on the dining room floor for 2 years (today actually) but c'est la vie somethings less important slip.
Please continue to rant though and think that going to "pod" is a good marker of an actual useable car. I do look forward to choking on the cloud of oil as it blows past your poorly gapped rings and straight out the exhaust next time you try flooring it in your 1000hp whipple on pump fuel.
that's the 1000hp car that couldn't pull on me while I was NA still.
Just a thought. You keep on telling yourself that though. Suppose thats until the next new car takes your fancy and you become "specialists" in that too. You know like the old supra's and rotaries you were "specialists" in before mustangs.
Please do post up all the centri's you've tuned as clearly there's not a single one on any social media and / or been to any events where you know public have attended.
Unfortunately I've out sourced due to time constraints as no doubt you're familiar with and the tuning will be done by someone with actual experience and detailed knowledge of centri coyote's as I'm unwilling to risk the block. Its a shame all the bits sat on the dining room floor for 2 years (today actually) but c'est la vie somethings less important slip.
Please continue to rant though and think that going to "pod" is a good marker of an actual useable car. I do look forward to choking on the cloud of oil as it blows past your poorly gapped rings and straight out the exhaust next time you try flooring it in your 1000hp whipple on pump fuel.
that's the 1000hp car that couldn't pull on me while I was NA still.Supersolo
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@Ben_MAP.
AFAIK, Hinch has had first hand info from dissatisfied customers of MAP, such as me!
But you fail to mention customers from significant distance from MAP, who won't be putting an extra 700/1000 miles on their car to give you the chance to fix your work.
You did not inspect my car before release to me. You had my car for 2 weeks and rushed it out in the last 3 days as per the onboard monitoring equipment I have in the car.
You did not notice the pass bank coil harness, incorrectly routed and being weighed upon by the coolant pipes!
You did not find this:
The crushed and damaged throttle body harness!
Lots more issues from MAP.
I'd kept the details from here so far, but now you've jumped in and made a personal attack on an individual, perhaps actual customer experience may be useful!
AFAIK, Hinch has had first hand info from dissatisfied customers of MAP, such as me!
You are respnsible for what the customer recieves. Don't hide behind your staff.
Telling your customers they can bring their car back to you, may give some the impression you'll fix your work.
But you fail to mention customers from significant distance from MAP, who won't be putting an extra 700/1000 miles on their car to give you the chance to fix your work.
You did not inspect my car before release to me. You had my car for 2 weeks and rushed it out in the last 3 days as per the onboard monitoring equipment I have in the car.
You did not notice the pass bank coil harness, incorrectly routed and being weighed upon by the coolant pipes!
You did not find this:
The crushed and damaged throttle body harness!
Lots more issues from MAP.
I'd kept the details from here so far, but now you've jumped in and made a personal attack on an individual, perhaps actual customer experience may be useful!
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@Supersolo / @hinch / @Ben_MAP - suggest this is taken offline now. I feel both sides have had their say and this thread has strayed way off topic. Any more back and forth and we'll need to start deleting posts.
hinch
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delete at will fella thats why i typically don't put the details in the public thread but obviously someone doesn't like the respect of doing things in private rather than public.
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Each has now had their say. As Kristian says, please take it offline.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Ben_MAP
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@Supersolo - You must be Mr P, I'm pleased that you have let me know you have had issues with your car ... this is the first I have heard of them.
In fact, the last conversations that we had with one another were very positive - so to find you on here doing as you have been is both a surprise and a disappointment.
If you think that the best method to salvage a situation is to publically drag a company through the mud over a pinched, but ok, wire rather than allow them to fix your perceived issues with their work, then that is your prerogative.
For the record, though, If milage and time were a concern of yours and you had contacted me with those concerns, you know that I would have suggested options to mitigate them.
It is not my intention to appear to have personally attacked Mr Hinch, my intention is simply to put to bed the absolute rubbish that he continues to say about me and my firm despite him having never been anywhere near us in a professional manner. The only thing I have to do that with is to tell people what interactions we have actually had and so that is what I have done and will continue to do.
Thank you for your input
