Science is now cancelled? [USERS NOW BANNED FOR POLITICS]

[Hobohunter]

Obviously it all adds up. That comes down to infrastructure planning which is a whole can of worms in the US it seems! We pay a lot more for our electricity than you do (so do most European countries) because it seems our infrastructure investment is better. Cheap power comes at a cost long term.

Obviously it all adds up. That comes down to infrastructure planning which is a whole can of worms in the US it seems! We pay a lot more for our electricity than you do (so do most European countries) because it seems our infrastructure investment is better. Cheap power comes at a cost long term.

I'm sure infrastructure planning does play a significant role in electricity costs, as does method of power production. I live in a major hydropower region and so there's plentiful and cheap electricity. We pay just over 2 cents/kw-hr in my county, go a little over a hundred miles to the west to Seattle and they pay about 5 times as much, even with the majority of their power coming from their own hydro projects.

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[rick81721]

As I have mentioned several times we have no mandatory restriction here in England and the pandemic is not a pandemic now, it is endemic. The R0 is currently around 1.

37,000 cases/day 7 day moving average seems very high to be "endemic" in the UK. Your highest peak ever was 59,000/day. That's the equivalent of 180K cases/day here in the states!

 

[K4fxd]

The question is a simple one, should we advise people to be vaccinated or not

You use the word "advise" when you actually mean "force"

 

[Gregs24]

To be fair, the same statement applies to the vaccinated.

Agree, but that is not the point.

 

[Gregs24]

37,000 cases/day 7 day moving average seems very high to be "endemic" in the UK. Your highest peak ever was 59,000/day. That's the equivalent of 180K cases/day here in the states!

It does but if you dig down into it you will see it is nearly all children. I posted a few pages back the details. No under 12's are vaccinated and only 40% of under 18's so it is very much a subpopulation. In vaccinated adults cases are very low, and most adults are vaccinated. This is also a good reason why the simplistic 'herd immunity' that is bandied around on here is a dangerous term. How big is the herd? There are towns in the UK with lower vaccination rates and higher incidences, and places such as near where I live where there is pretty much no COVID now with very high vaccination rates. The surge in cases in children was linked to the September return to school.

What is also important is how few of those cases actually end up sick or in hospital, which is low and falling despite high case numbers.

 

[Gregs24]

1 in 6 people on ventilators in the UK for COVID are pregnant women currently. 19 out of those 20 were unvaccinated. You don't want to be pregnant and unvaccinated is the message there!

 

[K4fxd]

It does but if you dig down into it you will see it is nearly all children.

I call BS on it being children hospitalised and dieing.


https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-n...hildren-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/

Hospitalizations (24 states and NYC reported)*

• Among states reporting, children ranged from 1.6%-4.2% of their total cumulated hospitalizations, and 0.1%-1.9% of all their child COVID-19 cases resulted in hospitalization

Mortality (45 states, NYC, PR and GU reported)*

• Among states reporting, children were 0.00%-0.26% of all COVID-19 deaths, and 7 states reported zero child deaths
• In states reporting, 0.00%-0.03% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in death

Agree, but that is not the point.

Yes it is the point, you just want to force your will onto other's

 

[K4fxd]

1 in 6 people on ventilators in the UK for COVID are pregnant women currently. 19 out of those 20 were unvaccinated. You don't want to be pregnant and unvaccinated is the message there!

I wonder what risks there are to the unborn baby from the jab.

 

[rick81721]

1 in 6 people on ventilators in the UK for COVID are pregnant women currently. 19 out of those 20 were unvaccinated. You don't want to be pregnant and unvaccinated is the message there!

Sadly pregnant women and women of childbearing age are one of the groups reluctant to get vaccinated.

 

[K4fxd]

Sadly pregnant women and women of childbearing age are one of the groups reluctant to get vaccinated.

Sadly????

Hell some say not to take aspirin during pregnancy, but they should take some experimental drug that has not been long term tested on non-pregnant people.
SMH and wonders when people forgot how to critical think.

"A few studies show that taking aspirin around the time of conception and in early pregnancy is associated with an increased risk of miscarriage. And some researchers believe that taking adult aspirin during pregnancy could affect the baby's growth and slightly increase the risk of a placental abruption."

 

[K4fxd]

Even if the rates of mental disorders are low 1-5% the numbers are staggering.

Good point

 

[Gregs24]

We all need to pray(because there is no data) that these vaccines don’t cause long term effects in devolving children. Even if the rates of mental disorders are low 1-5% the numbers are staggering.

If a pregnant woman got vaccinated the first month of vaccinations in the first week she was pregnant, that baby is a month old. Most cognitive issues aren’t recognized until 18-24 months. That means zero data on this.

Talk about putting all the eggs in one basket.

Of course dead mothers tend not to complete pregnancies either.

Why do you suggest there will be mental issues ?

Praying isn't going to help!

It isn't a live vaccine and the flu vaccine is recommended safely in pregnancy. There is no evidence based on how the vaccine works that there will be any increased risk to the unborn baby.

So it comes down to risk benefit. If you are pregnant and get COVID you are more likely to get ill and even die. There is no current evidence that there is any risk to the baby.

How many people smoke and drink alcohol when pregnant despite advice to the contrary?

We don't live in a zero risk world and suggesting concerns about something that doesn't exist has actually meant that a lot have pregnant women have not been vaccinated, some of them are now dead (with their baby) You can only advise based on current knowledge not on possible end of the world scenarios.

 

[Gregs24]

I understand this but the question is why vaccinate if it's more of a personal responsibility issue and less of a societal issue? The end result is everyone will have Covid. Seems to me if they do or don't want the vaccine is personal safety at this point. The impact to society is very limited beyond the fear mongering. The high risk are vaccinated and the death rate is extremely low at this point.



Our hospitals are running at normal capacity. I live in a southern US state that has had a high infection rate. Another large wave seems unlikely. Cost there again is a personal responsibility issue.

Breakthrough infections are not rare.

• Very common affects more than 1 in 10 people – ie the risk is 10% or higher
• Common affects between 1 in 100 and 1 in 10 people – ie risk is 1% to 10%
• Uncommon affects between 1 in 1,000 and 1 in 100 people – ie risk is 0.1% to 1%
• Rare affects between 1 in 10,000 and 1 in 1,000 people – ie risk is 0.01% to 0.1%

It is actually common to very common. Vaccines do little to stop the spread of this virus. What they do accomplish very effectily is limiting severe Covid.

You answer your own question The vaccine is very good at stopping severe COVID (and long COVID) so actually it is everybody's interest to be vaccinated, it helps you to stay healthy, and saves the healthcare industry time and money. I can't speak for your state (you don't say which one) but in the UK the NHS very nearly didn't cope (twice) and was only saved by lockdown until the vaccine came along. That IS a societal issue - it is our responsibility as individuals to help out our healthcare system by getting vaccinated.

 

[Burkey]

We all need to pray(because there is no data) that these vaccines don’t cause long term effects in devolving children. Even if the rates of mental disorders are low 1-5% the numbers are staggering.

If a pregnant woman got vaccinated the first month of vaccinations in the first week she was pregnant, that baby is a month old. Most cognitive issues aren’t recognized until 18-24 months. That means zero data on this.

Talk about putting all the eggs in one basket.

What if infection harmed the baby? The virus hasn’t been around long enough to have any data for this….

See, we can both play that game.
You can call it an experimental vaccine, I can call it an experimental virus.

As to your argument re financial burden of hospitalisation, well yes, if the individual wants to pay for their treatment out of their own pocket directly, that would have no financial impact on other people. But they tend to have health insurance do they not? Or is my understanding flawed?

 

[K4fxd]

What if infection harmed the baby?

It's been proven the jab does not stop infection, so if you get the jab and the infection your chances for long term side effects are doubled.

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