Science is now cancelled?

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But there is a difference. I will give you that it is perhaps a subtle distinction, but there is one all the same. Some have difficulty grasping that though.

So, pray tell, when someone says something stupid, what is one to do? Ignore? Cajole? Sugarcoat?

Again, it is nonsense to say that I have attacked anyone on this board to the level that he has. His behaviour and ideas are beyond the pale, replete with digging up a photo of someone so that he may attack their appearance. Which is nutty behavior.
Hello; Let me try it your way. I may not be so good as you are. Here goes. To say you have not attacked people on this board at a greater level that the other guy in an asinine statement.

Get it now. I was actually saying something about you. The statements you make are a part of you in a real sense. The only part on a written forum such as this.

You have an arrogance in that you feel your ideas are automatically superior. Such is not always the case. In fact often not the case. To answer one of your questions. When you say stupid stuff I do ignore it most of the time. Often a lot to ignore. I try to stay focused on the issues and not get into a silly back and forth. Unfortunately I have in the past few posts played into the game when I should have continued to ignore you.





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Hello; Let me try it your way. I may not be so good as you are. Here goes. To say you have not attacked people on this board at a greater level that the other guy in an asinine statement.

Get it now. I was actually saying something about you. The statements you make are a part of you in a real sense. The only part on a written forum such as this.

You have an arrogance in that you feel your ideas are automatically superior. Such is not always the case. In fact often not the case. To answer one of your questions. When you say stupid stuff I do ignore it most of the time. Often a lot to ignore. I try to stay focused on the issues and not get into a silly back and forth. Unfortunately I have in the past few posts played into the game when I should have continued to ignore you.
Ah, but here is an even bigger difference. I take no personal umbrage to anything you say. Frankly, you don't have the power over me in such a way. No one does really.

Saying I have made an asinine statement may or may not be true, but I don't see that as you calling me a name. Again, a subtle distinction to some.
 

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He made my ignore list a few days ago, but I can see he's still at it by your replies. In your 30+ years as a teacher I'm certain you ran across some know-it-alls in your classrooms. Your statement below is spot on.
Hello; Sometime in the 1990's in KY the "experts" began programs which were more focused on "self esteem" than actual education. To expound on this would take a lot of writing. I will touch on one item for now.
AT some point we teachers were instructed to not mark mistakes in a students work. We were told to ignore misspelling, math mistakes and so on. We were to search for some thing the student did correctly and give positive comments only.
This was in the 90's so more than one generation has passed thru the school systems by now. I get my one example is not enough to make a case, but there was much more.

I use to tell a joke about this to my fellow teachers. Keep in mind this is a joke. Situation= Mary just shot Johnny five times. Proper response is "Mary you had an excellent grouping of your shots."
An extreme sort of parody, but faithful to the practice.
 

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" He made my ignore list a few days ago, but I can see he's still at it by your replies. In your 30+ years as a teacher I'm certain you ran across some know-it-alls in your classrooms. Your statement below is spot on. "

Yet continues to post comments about me!

Snort!
 

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Yes, quite serious, smoking kills. Cigarette smoking causes environmental pollution by releasing toxic air pollutants into the atmosphere. The cigarette butts also litter the environment, and the toxic chemicals in the residues seep into soils and waterways, thereby causing soil and water pollution, respectively.

Trillions of cigarette butts are thrown into the environment every year where they leach nicotine and heavy metals before turning into microplastic pollution. Cigarette butts account for an estimated 38% of litter in the United States, and states, counties, and municipalities spend a collective $1.3 billion on litter abatement annually. Another $9 billion and $241 million annually is spent by private businesses and educational institutions, respectively. If the cost of cigarette litter abatement is proportional to the percentage of the litter which it comprises, then cigarette butt litter clean-up costs the United States $4 billion per year. And this is just the direct cost. Additional costs are born in forest fires ignited by improper disposal of lit cigarettes, decreased property values in littered neighborhoods, and lost tourism revenues in regions with littered roadsides or in coastal town beaches mistaken for ashtrays.

The good news is that, with time, quitting smoking can reverse many of the negative effects of smoking. Speak with your healthcare provider if you have concerns.

Just admit you are mucking up the air and the environment while the rest of us pay for the clean-up.
He won't see this, but no way he wrote this. I would like to see the web page he cut and pasted from. Not that I disagree, just interested. (I supposed if I called it plagiarism it would be seen as name calling, so I will refrain from doing so.)

He is generally correct though I believe. Whether the cigarette butt problem equates to the seriousness of global warming can be debated.
 
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Just admit you are mucking up the air and the environment while the rest of us pay for the clean-up.
Your use of language is fascinating and creepy.
You want me to ADMIT to doing something that I never once claimed I wasn’t doing...

I seem to recall posting a while back about how I drive a Mustang and ride a motorcycle, both of which muck up the air and the environment.

I’m communicating with you via an electronic device that mucks up the environment. Do I need to “admit” to that also?

You seem to be implying that I’ve been very carefully hiding something from you, which is demonstrably untrue.
Yet again you fail.

I guess I could always play your game and simply deny the evidence regarding cigarette butts, even though it’s supported by a scientific consensus, then find an “expert“ who has a ”competing theory”, and then continue on with my ways, “knowing“ that I have every right to do as I please because the scientists are all wrong pretty much all the time anyway.
 

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do you guys realise that science is enabling you to argue from polar opposites of the world almost real time? Just checking you get the irony of this.

also @sk47 turns out your sacrifice towards US population is not unique. Birth rate in the US is dropping fast and there's a few reasons and yours is a factor for sure. Thank you for your service
 
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He is generally correct though I believe. Whether the cigarette butt problem equates to the seriousness of global warming can be debated.
Indeed, but in the minds of those who think in black and white, good and evil, if something is even vaguely harmful, it must be entirely harmful.

”Masks don’t work” = “because they don’t offer 100% protection, they’re entirely useless.“

”Scientists are always wrong” = “because mistakes are made from time to time, and even though they‘re corrected by further scientific enquiry, we must throw out the entire methodology and any evidence that doesn’t fit my preferred narrative”

It’s pretty easy to spot how certain patterns of thinking can emerge and how they might obfuscate any meaningful discussion.

For the black and white thinkers I included the words “can” and “might”. Of course, that might be misinterpreted as some sort of absolute claim also.
 
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Not all that close to an admission.
My apologies, I didn’t realise I was on trial here. Good to see that you’ve appointed yourself to a position where you think I care about your demands. Looks like an inflated sense of self-worth to me. Narcissism perhaps?

Not anywhere close to an apology to those that didn’t ask to be harmed by your addiction. When it has been proven that a person makes bad choices on a daily basis that harms himself, those around him, and the environment, I don’t take advice from them.
It would be appreciated if you could at least consistently follow your own theology.

Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” ... And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go your way, and from now on do not sin again."

So, with that in mind, would you like to go first with the apologies?
Surely those plastics you’ve used in your lifetime have caused some level of harm to the planet and it’s inhabitants? Or is your waste entirely harmless?

You were also saying something about not listening to the advice of those who harm the environment..
So you’ve stopped listening to yourself?
That seems like it would be a good idea.
 

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This has really jumped the shark.
 

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"Okie From Muskogee"

We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee;
We don't take our trips on LSD
We don't burn no draft cards down on Main Street;
We like livin' right, and bein' free.

Yes, sir

We don't make a party out of lovin';
We like holdin' hands and pitchin' woo;
We don't let our hair grow long and nasty and dirty,
Like the hippies out in San Francisco do.

Everybody sing one time

I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee,
A place where even squares can have a ball.
Yes, sir
We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
And white lightning's still the biggest thrill of all.

Leather boots are still in style for manly footwear;
Beads and Roman sandals won't be seen.
And football's still the roughest thing on campus,
And the kids they still respect the college dean.

And I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee,
A place where even squares can have a ball.
And we still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
And white lightning's still the biggest thrill of all.

We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
In Muskogee, Oklahoma, USA.
 
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It was self harm, harm to others, then the environment.

Alcohol and nicotine addicts don’t control the drug, the mind-altering drug controls them. I don’t have sympathy for alcohol and nicotine addicts for many reasons, I’ll list a few. First is because of the flippant attitude of most addicts. They started the addiction on a premise it was their body and they could do whatever they want to it. When in fact, their choice causes unmeasurable effects on other people and the environment.

Another reason is they won’t let you help them. Addicts love the drug more than people. They ignore outside help, until they need a ride to the hospital for a liver or lung cancer treatment. I don't take advice from someone who can blow smoke rings through a stoma.

Maybe it's just puffers who think smoking is good, not matter what anyone else says or who it hurts. Selfish indeed.

"Cigarettes make up more than one-third—nearly 38 percent—of all collected litter. Disposing of cigarettes on the ground or out of a car is so common that 75 percent of smokers report doing it.

All these cigarette butts cost big bucks to clean up. Cities spend between $3 million and $16 million on cigarette clean-up.

Littered cigarette butts leach toxic chemicals—such as arsenic (used to kill rats) and lead, to name a few—into the environment and can contaminate water. The toxic exposure can poison fish, as well as animals who eat cigarette butts.

It may look like cotton, but 98 percent of cigarette filters are made of plastic fibers (cellulose acetate) that are tightly packed together, which leads to an estimated 1.69 billion pounds of cigarette butts winding up as toxic trash each year.

The plastic fibers in cigarettes are non-biodegradable, meaning they won't organically break down from living organisms."

It's all good... right... Preach on!
I’m still trying to work out the relevance to the topic of “science is cancelled”.
You are one super-weird dude.
I apogise for assuming your gender.
It was self harm, harm to others, then the environment.

Alcohol and nicotine addicts don’t control the drug, the mind-altering drug controls them. I don’t have sympathy for alcohol and nicotine addicts for many reasons, I’ll list a few. First is because of the flippant attitude of most addicts. They started the addiction on a premise it was their body and they could do whatever they want to it. When in fact, their choice causes unmeasurable effects on other people and the environment.

Another reason is they won’t let you help them. Addicts love the drug more than people. They ignore outside help, until they need a ride to the hospital for a liver or lung cancer treatment. I don't take advice from someone who can blow smoke rings through a stoma.

Maybe it's just puffers who think smoking is good, not matter what anyone else says or who it hurts. Selfish indeed.

"Cigarettes make up more than one-third—nearly 38 percent—of all collected litter. Disposing of cigarettes on the ground or out of a car is so common that 75 percent of smokers report doing it.

All these cigarette butts cost big bucks to clean up. Cities spend between $3 million and $16 million on cigarette clean-up.

Littered cigarette butts leach toxic chemicals—such as arsenic (used to kill rats) and lead, to name a few—into the environment and can contaminate water. The toxic exposure can poison fish, as well as animals who eat cigarette butts.

It may look like cotton, but 98 percent of cigarette filters are made of plastic fibers (cellulose acetate) that are tightly packed together, which leads to an estimated 1.69 billion pounds of cigarette butts winding up as toxic trash each year.

The plastic fibers in cigarettes are non-biodegradable, meaning they won't organically break down from living organisms."

It's all good... right... a choice to continue daily with bad behavior no matter what others have to say. It's called narcissism, preach on, I like it!
Given that you consistently fail to make any sort of attempt to reply to my questions, I thought I’d share a meme. Seems that at least one of the answers is correct.

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cjjon, I thought your anthem would be 2112,

We've taken care of everything
The words you read
The songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
It's one for all and all for one
We work together, common sons
Never need to wonder how or why
We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls
Look around, this world we've made
Equality, our stock in trade
Come and join the brotherhood of man
Oh, what a nice contended world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand
We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls


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