Science is now cancelled?

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That is communist thinking and fly's in the face of individual freedom.

One bad part of freedom is it can be dangerous. With freedom come responsibility. You know if you are sick you should stay home ect.

Not everyone is responsible.

I prefer dangerous freedom to peaceful slavery.

Also, if you are vaccinated you are protected, are you not? So why do you care if I'm jabbed?

Science shows that jabbed people spread the virus too.
Individual freedom...do you stop at red lights?

I WISH people would stay home when sick! Unfortunately, many companies are able to simply replace you one way or another if you come to work less than the co worker next to you.

Agree 100%

Are we free? Taxes get payed without question, political votes really don't matter, and there are groups of "elite" people who live on a completely different set of rules that the rest of us.

The vaccines are like condoms, people use them and still have kids but a lot less of them right? I don't want to care if you're jabbed or not BUT what if some of what we're told is right and you not getting jabbed can end up hurting me and mine? Or yours? The goal is for us all to move forward together? But maybe this vaccine will be the end of us all who got it? I got it today so I can eat tomorrow, next week is still days away.

But doesn't that science also show the jabbed people spread it less than non-jobbed?
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Correct, this isn't really a personal choice, but no one will force anyone to get vaccinated. For sure though, the unvaccinated do not get to do things others that are vaccinated can. Sports events, jobs, restaurants, schools, whatever.
Now that Delta is raging, and also because the vaccinated percentage isn't there among my fellow employees, we get to all go back to wearing masks when in the workplace until things improve. Reminds me of the old saying, "the beatings will continue until morale improves".

Thanks anti-vaxxers! I get that it's a choice and all, but come on. Besides, I doubt many of us are wearing masks outside the workplace unless specified.
 

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Now that Delta is raging, and also because the vaccinated percentage isn't there among my fellow employees, we get to all go back to wearing masks when in the workplace until things improve. Reminds me of the old saying, "the beatings will continue until morale improves".

Thanks anti-vaxxers! I get that it's a choice and all, but come on. Besides, I doubt none of us are wearing masks outside the workplace unless specified.
Same at my work. Masks pretty much always even if outside. Told we can't even send one person to get lunch for a group anymore. However, how do we know it's purely the anti-vaxxers fault? I'm sure the chance of being exactly where we are now is still there if everyone on the planet got vaxxed...or didn't. Key word being chance and obviously fluctuates. I mean, there's a chance you'll get through the intersection running the red light...
 

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True. However, the return to masks is directly due to lack of vaccinated employees.

In reality, it's no big deal. Just an irritant due to one more thing to remember in the morning when not caffeinated.
 

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For sure though, the unvaccinated do not get to do things others that are vaccinated can. Sports events, jobs, restaurants, schools, whatever.
Depends on what state you live in.

However, the return to masks is directly due to lack of vaccinated employees.
Again I don't get the logic. If you are jabbed why do you care about someone else?

And like the science has shown recovering from covid is at least as good as the jab.
 

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True but at a rate at least 100 times lower than those not vaccinated (at least the dying part).
Hello; You are slipping in a third group of people. I and a few others have been talking about those who recovered from the virus and have natural immunity. There is posted information natural immunity is as good as the vaccine immunity.

People who have never had the virus and are not vaccinated do indeed sometimes have a bad infection. Some combination of factors are, so far, contributing factors. Being obese. High BP. Old age may be the top three. Having a weakened or compromised immune system may be on the list.
 

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Again I don't get the logic. If you are jabbed why do you care about someone else?
Because the CHANCE is still there even if smaller. It gets even smaller if you are also vaccinated. If my understanding is correct. Like layers of protection.
 

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Again I don't get the logic. If you are jabbed why do you care about someone else?
Pretty simple. The desired percentage of vaccinated isn't there at work, so ALL of us go back to wearing masks, not just the unvaccinated. Once another's choice affects me unnecessarily, I tend to get a little irritated. In this case, it's minor in the grand scheme of things....or is it?
 

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This is looking more and more like fairly recent history. Will us non jabbed need to wear a star?

Your papers please.
 

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Because the CHANCE is still there even if smaller. It gets even smaller if you are also vaccinated. If my understanding is correct. Like layers of protection.
Hello; A vaccine you took is not giving the protection you feel entitled to, so the "right" of another person to refuse a medicine goes on the table. I understand this but do not agree.
 

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This is looking more and more like fairly recent history. Will us non jabbed need to wear a star?

Your papers please.
Hello; Not to mention you have had and recovered from the virus so you are not a risk regardless.
 

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Hello; A vaccine you took is not giving the protection you feel entitled to, so the "right" of another person to refuse a medicine goes on the table. I understand this but do not agree.
Has nothing to do with entitled protection. If it's the one you love, don't you want the very best? So by going someplace where not everyone is as protected as they could be, now your loved one isn't the safest they can be. So a daughter can't have the wedding she wants, that you would like to provide her, because not all the guests get the protection required. Seems like a bunch of assholes in that perspective yeah? At the same time, I also don't agree with forcing it on everyone. So here we are...
 

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Hello; Not to mention you have had and recovered from the virus so you are not a risk regardless.
Hasn't this also already been shown as untrue? Like a couple posts up where someone had a few rounds of Covid separated by 6 months or so.
 

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Hello; I highlighted some telling bits of what you posted in an failed effort to dis the link I posted. Let me state my point again. I figure those who survived the covid infection on their own do not need a shot. That they have natural immunity strong and durable enough to protect them. This seems to be the case in the three highlighted and underlined bits above.

So the idea that a shot improves natural immunity is apparently based on an odd logic. If a person has a good immune system which fought off the virus itself without help, then the logic that follows is that same immune system can fight off the same virus again. The second or third time around the immune system kills off the invading virus much quicker and we often never know we were exposed.
Well, even though these studies out of Israel (that everyone seems to latch on to) may say that, they also say:

" The study also found that when recovered patients boosted their natural protection with a single vaccine shot — as recommended by Israeli health officials — their protection reached new highs, and they had approximately half the infection risk of other recovered patients.

Individuals who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant,” the study suggested.

“The long-term protection provided by a third dose, recently administered in Israel, is still unknown.
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Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/study...s-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/
 

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Has nothing to do with entitled protection. If it's the one you love, don't you want the very best? So by going someplace where not everyone is as protected as they could be, now your loved one isn't the safest they can be. So a daughter can't have the wedding she wants, that you would like to provide her, because not all the guests get the protection required. Seems like a bunch of assholes in that perspective yeah? At the same time, I also don't agree with forcing it on everyone. So here we are...
Well with this mentality why not mandate a flu shot also? Lets throw people in jail for sneezing in public.

Speeding causes crashes, lets limit all cars to 55 Mph and on and on and on until we have a perfectly safe society.

I refuse to be your or anyone's slave.
 
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