Science is now cancelled?

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That's pretty crazy if that's really the case. How many other countries have under counted the death toll?

All these statistics just get everyone arguing on the numbers ... but one thing that can't really be denied is a hell of a lot of people on Earth have died in the last 18 months.

If 4M have died in India it kind of reminds me of this old Planet P song.

I'm sure it's a similar situation in Africa. Based on that study on India, it's likely their real infections number is well north of 500 million.
 

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The entire flu season numbers were way down for 2020-2021 vs 2019-2020 flu season due to all the risk mitigation practices used for Covid. It will be interesting to see how all the kids now attending in person learning at schools fair this winter, even with the risk mitigation practices going on.

https://hive.rochesterregional.org/2020/01/flu-season-2020

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
Yes 2020/2021 flu season was extraordinarily mild. But there are reports that this could be a rebound year due to that fact and with less people having some natural immunity from the previous season. Last season also showed a significantly higher flu vaccination rate.
 
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I looked at total deaths and it was 412 people under 18 for all 50 states. So about 8 per state. Yet we are supposed to jab people 12 and over. That might make sense if everyone else in the world who wanted one had one.
From the CDC, 99.997% of people under 20 die from covid.

Israeli study, people who have had and reco ered from covid are 27 times better protected than people who never had it but got jabbed.
I think you meant 99.997% SURVIVED, not died.
The Israeli study I saw said 13 times, not 27. Can you link me to the study you’re referencing?
 

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Opinions | Natural immunity to covid is powerful. Policymakers seem afraid to say so. (msn.com)

“More than 15 studies have demonstrated the power of immunity acquired by previously having the virus. A 700,000-person study from Israel two weeks ago found that those who had experienced prior infections were 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated. This affirmed a June Cleveland Clinic study of health-care workers (who are often exposed to the virus), in which none who had previously tested positive for the coronavirus got reinfected. The study authors concluded that “individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.” And in May, a Washington University study found that even a mild covid infection resulted in long-lasting immunity.”

“Downplaying the power of natural immunity has had deadly consequences. In January, February and March, we wasted scarce vaccine doses on millions of people who previously had covid. If we had asked Americans who were already protected by natural immunity to step aside in the vaccine line, tens of thousands of lives could have been saved. This is not just in hindsight is 20/20; many of us were vehemently arguing and writing at the time for such a rationing strategy.”

“One reason public health officials may be afraid to acknowledge the effectiveness of natural immunity is that they fear it will lead some to choose getting the infection over vaccination. That’s a legitimate concern. But we can encourage all Americans to get vaccinated while still being honest about the data. “



Hello; There is more worth reading in the article. It is an opinion piece but does have links to some information. One link is below.



Booster shots won’t stop the delta variant. Here’s the math to prove it. - The Washington Post
 

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Here ya go ... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-tells-bolt-ev-owners-231849920.html

😲 ... checkout the cost of the recall.

" GM in August widened its Bolt recall to more than 140,000 vehicles to replace battery modules, at a cost now estimated at $1.8 billion after reports of 10 fires. The automaker said it would seek reimbursement from GM battery supplier LG. "
 
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Here ya go ... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-tells-bolt-ev-owners-231849920.html

😲 ... checkout the cost of the recall.

" GM in August widened its Bolt recall to more than 140,000 vehicles to replace battery modules, at a cost now estimated at $1.8 billion after reports of 10 fires. The automaker said it would seek reimbursement from GM battery supplier LG. "
My friend says that if only one car in every 14,000 catches fire, nobody should be worried about it. No reason to do a recall.
 
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Opinions | Natural immunity to covid is powerful. Policymakers seem afraid to say so. (msn.com)

“More than 15 studies have demonstrated the power of immunity acquired by previously having the virus. A 700,000-person study from Israel two weeks ago found that those who had experienced prior infections were 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated. This affirmed a June Cleveland Clinic study of health-care workers (who are often exposed to the virus), in which none who had previously tested positive for the coronavirus got reinfected. The study authors concluded that “individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.” And in May, a Washington University study found that even a mild covid infection resulted in long-lasting immunity.”

“Downplaying the power of natural immunity has had deadly consequences. In January, February and March, we wasted scarce vaccine doses on millions of people who previously had covid. If we had asked Americans who were already protected by natural immunity to step aside in the vaccine line, tens of thousands of lives could have been saved. This is not just in hindsight is 20/20; many of us were vehemently arguing and writing at the time for such a rationing strategy.”

“One reason public health officials may be afraid to acknowledge the effectiveness of natural immunity is that they fear it will lead some to choose getting the infection over vaccination. That’s a legitimate concern. But we can encourage all Americans to get vaccinated while still being honest about the data. “



Hello; There is more worth reading in the article. It is an opinion piece but does have links to some information. One link is below.



Booster shots won’t stop the delta variant. Here’s the math to prove it. - The Washington Post
I must say, this is amongst the weirdest replies I’ve seen you post so far.
Let‘s break it down.
It starts with an opinion piece from MSN, complete with links to the studies that theoretically support the authors position. Right?
Well…..
When we click on the first link, the title quite clearly reads:
“The Power of Natural Immunity
Studies show it’s durable and widespread. If you’ve had Covid, you can get by with one shot of vaccine.”

Now, I can’t read the rest of the article because I’m not a subscriber but it would be reasonable to assume that it doesn’t exactly support the MSN authors agenda.

Second link from the MSN article takes us to this:

“Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.
Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.”

Again, this doesn’t seem to align with the MSN authors position and worse than that, the PREPRINT (not peer-reviewed) quite clearly states the figure as 13, not 27. I literally can’t work out where the MSN author is pulling this figure from.

Time for the third link:
Again, a PREPRINT.

“Results Among the 52238 included employees, 1359 (53%) of 2579 previously infected subjects remained unvaccinated, compared with 20804 (42%) of 49659 not previously infected. The cumulative incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection remained almost zero among previously infected unvaccinated subjects, previously infected subjects who were vaccinated, and previously uninfected subjects who were vaccinated, compared with a steady increase in cumulative incidence among previously uninfected subjects who remained unvaccinated. Not one of the 1359 previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated had a SARS-CoV-2 infection over the duration of the study. In a Cox proportional hazards regression model, after adjusting for the phase of the epidemic, vaccination was associated with a significantly lower risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection among those not previously infected (HR 0.031, 95% CI 0.015 to 0.061) but not among those previously infected (HR 0.313, 95% CI 0 to Infinity).”

It‘s somewhere around this point that anyone with any brains has stopped paying attention to the MSN author, in the same way that the MSN author failed to pay attention to any of the work they were citing as evidence of their position.

Quite seriously, did you read the actual studies or just take the word of the dickhead from MSN?
 

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Speaking of Tesla, OK, maybe very peripherally Tesla related …

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/s...civilian-crew-launched-into-orbit-2021-09-15/

Oops that was supposed to be posted right after the Tesla comment, hahaha, it was sitting unposted for like an hour :crazy:

We could see it from the end of the street / beach cross over, I took a couple of very mediocre-at-best pics (it was pretty hazy last night), just amazing though, it's kind of more about the experience of seeing it vs. crappy iPhone pics :D
 

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We could see it from the end of the street / beach cross over, I took a couple of very mediocre-at-best pics (it was pretty hazy last night), just amazing though, it's kind of more about the experience of seeing it vs. crappy iPhone pics :D
I need to watch one of those launches up close - from our place, I can see a light go up during a SpaceX launch, and a light from the booster coming back down, but that's it.
 

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I need to watch one of those launches up close - from our place, I can see a light go up during a SpaceX launch, and a light from the booster coming back down, but that's it.

Oh it can't be described if you get a chance to see one up really close. A good buddy of mine had a friend who was some kind of ground support engineer, involved in aerospace, had a consulting gig with NASA and invited us to a shuttle launch down at Kennedy (it was an early 90s Endeavour mission), we were in a close observation area.

Holy f***ing hell, I think I went into a moment of shock, it's just the most awing thing I'd ever witnessed.
 
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