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I remember accompanying the school nurse for a Public Health meeting, where they were making preparations for an outbreak. The college was supposed to play a role and I distinctly remember them saying, its not if there will be an outbreak, its only a matter of time lol
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More about the hysteria around fentanyl.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15563650.2017.1373782
The position of the American College of Medical Toxicology (ACMT) and American Academy of Clinical Toxicology (AACT) is as follows:
Fentanyl and its analogs are potent opioid receptor agonists, but the risk of clinically significant exposure to emergency responders is extremely low. To date, we have not seen reports of emergency responders developing signs or symptoms consistent with opioid toxicity from incidental contact with opioids. Incidental dermal absorption is unlikely to cause opioid toxicity. For routine handling of drug, nitrile gloves provide sufficient dermal protection. In exceptional circumstances where there are drug particles or droplets suspended in the air, an N95 respirator provides sufficient protection. Workers who may encounter fentanyl or fentanyl analogs should be trained to recognize the signs and symptoms of opioid intoxication, have naloxone readily available, and be trained to administer naloxone and provide active medical assistance. In the unlikely event of poisoning, naloxone should be administered to those with objective signs of hypoventilation or a depressed level of consciousness, and not for vague concerns such as dizziness or anxiety. In the absence of prolonged hypoxia, no persistent effects are expected following fentanyl or fentanyl analog exposures. Those with small subclinical exposures and those who awaken normally following naloxone administration will not experience long-term effects. While individual practitioners may differ, these are the positions of American College of Medical Toxicology and American Academy of Clinical Toxicology at the time written, after a review of the issue and scientific literature.
Check out the bolded sentence.
So, it seems that declaring an emergency, locking a school down, calling in a hazmat team, making kids walk through chemicals, etc., etc., is just adding to the hysteria.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15563650.2017.1373782
The position of the American College of Medical Toxicology (ACMT) and American Academy of Clinical Toxicology (AACT) is as follows:
Fentanyl and its analogs are potent opioid receptor agonists, but the risk of clinically significant exposure to emergency responders is extremely low. To date, we have not seen reports of emergency responders developing signs or symptoms consistent with opioid toxicity from incidental contact with opioids. Incidental dermal absorption is unlikely to cause opioid toxicity. For routine handling of drug, nitrile gloves provide sufficient dermal protection. In exceptional circumstances where there are drug particles or droplets suspended in the air, an N95 respirator provides sufficient protection. Workers who may encounter fentanyl or fentanyl analogs should be trained to recognize the signs and symptoms of opioid intoxication, have naloxone readily available, and be trained to administer naloxone and provide active medical assistance. In the unlikely event of poisoning, naloxone should be administered to those with objective signs of hypoventilation or a depressed level of consciousness, and not for vague concerns such as dizziness or anxiety. In the absence of prolonged hypoxia, no persistent effects are expected following fentanyl or fentanyl analog exposures. Those with small subclinical exposures and those who awaken normally following naloxone administration will not experience long-term effects. While individual practitioners may differ, these are the positions of American College of Medical Toxicology and American Academy of Clinical Toxicology at the time written, after a review of the issue and scientific literature.
Check out the bolded sentence.
So, it seems that declaring an emergency, locking a school down, calling in a hazmat team, making kids walk through chemicals, etc., etc., is just adding to the hysteria.
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Pretty quiet in here now that the omicron wave is receding so quickly. Hopefully this is the end of the pandemic.
In other news, fentanyl (yes the same deadly drug that some nitwit keeps claiming is just hysteria) killed more people age 18 - 45 over the last year than covid. If anything, we need more "hysteria" to fight this scourge killing 10s of thousands every year.
https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/...s-aged-18-45-families-against-james-rauh-drug
In other news, fentanyl (yes the same deadly drug that some nitwit keeps claiming is just hysteria) killed more people age 18 - 45 over the last year than covid. If anything, we need more "hysteria" to fight this scourge killing 10s of thousands every year.
https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/...s-aged-18-45-families-against-james-rauh-drug
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^^^ Heard the other day that Snapchat is becoming the "Amazon" of kids using it to order drugs from dealers. Law enforcement needs to crack some heads hard.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/...chat/281-2fb5a963-4ef9-4cad-818f-6279fd11ab83
https://www.kold.com/2022/01/25/sch...ges-students-use-snapchat-reporting-features/
https://www.king5.com/article/news/...chat/281-2fb5a963-4ef9-4cad-818f-6279fd11ab83
https://www.kold.com/2022/01/25/sch...ges-students-use-snapchat-reporting-features/
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/09/...ould-anybody-claim-that-birds-arent-real.html
Immediately thought of this thread.
Immediately thought of this thread.
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It's absolutely fascinating how context evades you. Wow...
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Law enforcement? Nah. Parents.
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Just found this:
Families Against Fentanyl wants lawmakers to designate the drug as a "weapon of mass destruction" saying doing so could "save lives".
Talk about a dangerous hyper-reaction! Wow!
What total nonsense. It overly exaggerates the potential dangers of fentanyl which then quite severely diminishes the definition of what a WMD is.
But then in some, feelings trump science.
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All them folkks at Catoh must bea dopes two, huh.
https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-wmd-war-opioids-reaches-new-level-misinformation
The WMD hypothesis probably derives from a lone instance in 2002 when fentanyl was pumped into a Moscow theater by Russian police to end a hostage crisis, resulting in nearly 200 deaths. The means by which it was aerosolized have never been made public. Much remains secret. American authorities believe a second disabling substance might have been mixed in with the fentanyl. And Russian doctors complained that delays in entering the building and the failure to have naloxone available contributed to the deaths.
However, a 2017 position statement from the American College of Medical Toxicology states, “At the highest airborne concentration encountered by workers, an unprotected individual would require nearly 200 minutes of exposure to reach a dose of 100 mcg of fentanyl… evaporation of standing product into a gaseous phase is not a practical concern.”
The urban myth that even minimal skin contact with fentanyl or an analog can cause a drug overdose has been difficult to eradicate. Because it not easily absorbed through the skin it took years of research before pharmaceutical companies finally devised a means to deliver fentanyl trans‐dermally using a skin patch, now one of the most common ways it is prescribed in the outpatient setting. In its position paper, the ACMT also affirms that even extreme skin exposure to fentanyl “cannot rapidly deliver a high dose” of fentanyl.
Yet reports abound of first responders being rushed to emergency rooms after manifesting overdose symptoms upon exposure to fentanyl, only to be cleared and released upon evaluation. This may be attributable to the nocebo effect, an exquisite example of the power of suggestion that has a neurochemical explanation. Guidelines on preventing occupational exposure from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and first responder alertsfrom the Drug Enforcement Administration that state, “Exposure to an amount equivalent to a few grains of sand can kill you,” only serve to enhance the nocebo effect and feed the hysteria.
https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-wmd-war-opioids-reaches-new-level-misinformation
The WMD hypothesis probably derives from a lone instance in 2002 when fentanyl was pumped into a Moscow theater by Russian police to end a hostage crisis, resulting in nearly 200 deaths. The means by which it was aerosolized have never been made public. Much remains secret. American authorities believe a second disabling substance might have been mixed in with the fentanyl. And Russian doctors complained that delays in entering the building and the failure to have naloxone available contributed to the deaths.
However, a 2017 position statement from the American College of Medical Toxicology states, “At the highest airborne concentration encountered by workers, an unprotected individual would require nearly 200 minutes of exposure to reach a dose of 100 mcg of fentanyl… evaporation of standing product into a gaseous phase is not a practical concern.”
The urban myth that even minimal skin contact with fentanyl or an analog can cause a drug overdose has been difficult to eradicate. Because it not easily absorbed through the skin it took years of research before pharmaceutical companies finally devised a means to deliver fentanyl trans‐dermally using a skin patch, now one of the most common ways it is prescribed in the outpatient setting. In its position paper, the ACMT also affirms that even extreme skin exposure to fentanyl “cannot rapidly deliver a high dose” of fentanyl.
Yet reports abound of first responders being rushed to emergency rooms after manifesting overdose symptoms upon exposure to fentanyl, only to be cleared and released upon evaluation. This may be attributable to the nocebo effect, an exquisite example of the power of suggestion that has a neurochemical explanation. Guidelines on preventing occupational exposure from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and first responder alertsfrom the Drug Enforcement Administration that state, “Exposure to an amount equivalent to a few grains of sand can kill you,” only serve to enhance the nocebo effect and feed the hysteria.
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You can only hope. Most parents are a lost cause these days. Their kids control them instead of the parents controlling the kids.
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Correct. One thing law enforcement should be doing is controlling the southern border more effectively, Mexico is the major source. Something like fentanyl, parents are likely to not find out their kids are fooling with it until they do the autopsy on their dead child.
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Kids don't need iphones. Get them an actual phone for talk and text only. And take a drill bit to the camera.
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