That must take big balls and a lot of skill to drive something that makes no low end power. I think you might be lying!
Well......it's been nice knowing ya. I'd ask if I can have your car when you die, but you're gonna' be all wrapped up in it.
Track-capable street car = able to last 20 minutes of track use, without any break, all-out (i.e. “how you drive the car”), without breaking or causing an issue in ability (“limp mode”, power degradation, RPM-limiting, dynamic control confusion/“ice mode”) in any summer-like climate (40-100Fish*).
That thread has led to the "jump to conlusions" that a PP2 is a GT350 for less money, and that led to where we are. Because its so capable, Ford "had to to update the 19 GT350 to be faster" is now the evidence to confirm this. These assumptions alone have become "facts" to some...well, no, to just one. Ford also updated the 2019 raptor, perhaps the new Limited F150 is nipping at its heels.
Yeah, the GT350 was made faster because you can't keep a product stagnant (cough*370Z*cough) and expect the desire for it to remain or increase.
@Mountain376 Pft.. that's rubbish. A true test is sitting in 95f heat for 1h in rush hour traffic going no faster then 5mph and not having your CHT going above 208, oil/diff temps normal, AC cranked, groceries in the trunk, wife swearing at numbskull drivers from the pass seat, and a bird shits on your hood. That's what defines a dependable track car
My post is not power related. If it was only about power it stands to reason that the voodoo would have gotten an increase. All I’m saying is pp2 is not a gt350 for less money. Many assumptions have been made to support that line of thinking. I’ve heard some strange arguments (it’s got the 350’s knuckle and shocks) or the mt-82 doesn’t need coolers or is narrower or whatever...there is just a lot of assumptions about how much is shared. I’m excited about the new mustangs, exciting times we live in. I would expect a 2018 vehicle to compete with a 3 year old vehicle in certain metrics. Just look at 12/13 boss, that 444hp became the benchmark for the 15 GT (435hp). It’s the whole package, and as you stated, intended purpose, and not all about power.
I disagree about generalized. You know who on here has turned it into fact. I agree around town. One could argue in the real world on regular roads it’s a push. My boss was more fun around town than the 350 is. You literally felt like you were driving a race car with the side pipes, Lopey idle etc. can you track the 302? Yup, there is just a laundry list of prep that needs to be done if you plan on doing that, including a trans cooler scoop and brake cooling ducts. To assume that the (faster than a 302) PP2 doesn’t need some prep for track use is where the argument of the PP2 and 350 are the “same” is lost. If you want to argue that the PP2 is “better or faster” in some places then so be it. This is why the 350 is more money, it has legit hardware where it’s needed. Let’s not forget the 16 tech packs and limp mode. So if you want to say a PP2= 350, then it becomes essentially a 16tech pack 350 with 350R tires on it. And yes, on a track, it won’t be a difference with an average joe. Anyone who has done a track day will agree it’s more about the driver. Miatas passing corvettes is not so crazy sounding as it would be on the street
Actually, there is some reason to believe this to be the case. By all indications, the 2019 GT350 should have never happened. GT500 was supposed to be the one on the street by 2018 and the GT350 retired. GT500 has experienced a couple delays that pretty much forced keeping GT350 around a year or two longer than planned. Not that this is a bad thing, because...GT350. But part of the reason for upgrade is that it wasn't really even expected to still be here, so in order to keep up with improving performance, the upgrade was the right thing.
OK, now that's just funny with a twist of truth. That is a torture test for cooling capabilities of a DD.Pft.. that's rubbish. A true test is sitting in 95f heat for 1h in rush hour traffic going no faster then 5mph and not having your CHT going above 208, oil/diff temps normal, AC cranked, groceries in the trunk, wife swearing at numbskull drivers from the pass seat, and a bird shits on your hood. That's what defines a dependable track car
This is the exact problem Ford is having: