Request for comments - MODES - Triple Amber Triple Red taillight LED upgrade kit

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  1. ExoticPonyMods

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    #1 ExoticPonyMods, Dec 28, 2017
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    Updated (31.03.18) 1st NSW Stang 3A3R Review

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    Updated (14.03.18) - Full operations video for a closer look:

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    Merry Xmas & Happy New Year!

    As some of you might be aware that we have been working on a LED upgrade kit for the tail lights of 2015+ Mustangs, which also includes the upcoming 2018 models. Here is a short video on the 2018 Mustang tail lights, and yes we got our hands-on a tail light from a RHS drive version of the 2018 Mustang.

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    Comparing 2018 and 2015 tail lights side by side (with plug and play sequencers):
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    We are about to conclude HW endurance and robustness tests this week and is about to hit the road tests. Now for the most important part, how these triple Amber and triple Red LEDs would operate, I would like to hear some comments from this forum.

    Currently we are setting up 2 modes, ditching the old Mode A and Mode B:

    S(tock) Mode: Exactly the same as your factory car
    P(rogressive) Mode:

    1. Indicator - Sequential 1, 12 , 123, 0, 1, ... Amber blinkers
    2. Brake - 123 triple intense Red brakes
    3. Indicator while braking (or vice versa) - Sequential 1, 12 , 123, 0, 1, 12 ... Amber blinkers while brake LEDs would be switched off progressively 123, 23, 3, 0, 123, 23, ... would come back on during the 'off' period of the indicator.

    The RED brake lights are pretty much only completely off on the side of indicating for about 0.13 second if both indicator and brake is on. Therefore the previous Indicator priority (A mode) and Brake priority (B mode) is not necessary any more. And still provide a crisp finish instead of having brake on constantly.

    Here is a raw lab testing video to visualize. Please note the video camera's light adjustment makes this quite different from what real eye can see, but you get the rough idea:

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    There are a few additional modes to consider:

    1. Constant triple Amber indicator (no sequential)
    2. Indicator now does 1, 2, 3 (a moving cursor) instead
    3. Flashing Brake for TRACK

    Would welcome any suggestions and ideas from this community. Thank you!

    A couple of pictures of PCBs (WIP)
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    #2 Hellman109, Dec 28, 2017
    Would these fit the 2015-2017?

    If so then yeah Id be interested, depending on the cost. Id presume it will be similar cost to the DRL upgrade kits?

    EDIT: On the mode itself, the progressive mode is what Ive always wanted, full red for brakes, red behind yellow for turning and breaking, and sequential amber for just turning
     
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    #3 Pagey, Dec 29, 2017
    I’d be interested in the progressive mode Ray
     
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    #4 4stanger, Dec 29, 2017
    I do like that set up, Thanks.
     
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    #5 ExoticPonyMods, Dec 30, 2017
    Yes, the one shown fits 15-17 Models. 18 Models require some tweaks and will be a different HW revision.

    Thanks guys so far for the feedback.
    Here is a short video of the UNBOXING:

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    #6 alexcs, Dec 30, 2017
    Looking good mate - do you know of any installers in Sydney? Interested in this and the DRL's
     
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    #7 Davo, Dec 30, 2017
    Also keen Ray, thanks!
     
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    #8 davidhes, Jan 1, 2018
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    Very interested! Especially in a US red converted set of lights with this mod already installed! Would love to buy a set and effectively plug and play. How much would that be?
     
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    #9 Hellman109, Jan 2, 2018
    Having a red tint/lense would mean the orange wouldn't really come through anyhow.

    If you dont care about the orange you can get plug and play rear light sequencers you could use with a red tint now.
     
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    #10 davidhes, Jan 2, 2018
    I have red tinted lights now, would just love the real deal. The orange indicator comes through fine. Just isn’t as bright as with clear lights.
     
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    #11 Notes, Jan 2, 2018
    Hi Ray, that's good news to start the new year with!

    Just wondering will the settings be accessible on the light-switch in the car like the other modules?

    Now finding a good non damaging way to open the lights would be awesome as well!
     
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    #12 Chappers, Jan 2, 2018
    These look great, at the moment in Europe / UK you have to send to Poland for £600($1040) and your car is off the road for 10days while they do it for you, here in the UK I was quoted £1200!! ($2084) when will you get more in stock?
     
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    #13 ExoticPonyMods, Jan 3, 2018
    Regarding migrating US lights to AUS/EU/UK mustangs:

    Below are 2 earlier videos of using our sequencers on a pair of RED US taillights on AUSSIE mustangs. Although they do not actually do 1, 2 , 3 sequencing, I dont think you will be able to tell if I didnt tell you that.

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    Cons: Expensive! and not strictly road legal (no Amber, although no trouble with Police).
     
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    #14 ExoticPonyMods, Jan 3, 2018
    Yes, user will be able to easily switch modes. And we have created an easter egg for the mode switch success animation.

    I will be posting a few more videos on these topics including installation videos on how to open these lights.
     
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    #15 Notes, Jan 4, 2018
    Thank you for the info Ray, I'm looking forward to finally doing this mod after 2 years and a bit of stock driving!

    Ive been trying to do some research on the history of the sequencer for the mustang, I wanted to find out what the original sequence looked like. Unfortunately couldn't find that much info on the subject and it appears to me that it's been an aftermarket product/mod since way back as well.

    I did find out that it was first introduced on the Thunderbird in 65 as a standard feature with a sequence of One...two...three...off...repeat...

    Interesting read http://automotivemileposts.com/autobrevity/sequentialsignals.html

    On video's of aftermarket LED's for the 67'-70 mustang I noticed they go kinda crazy with up to 10 sequence options. This makes me wonder how large of a memory chip do you need to store several sequence options?

    Cheers!

    Here's some cool input :D

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    #16 TeamDenno, Jan 4, 2018
    From a legal standpoint, so we don't get busted by the boys in blue, surely when the brake pedal is pressed, the cars must continue to show brake lights totally working on both sides of the vehicle, plus centre light?

    So when break pedal is pressed, the sequence must be 1 (red on firm) and then 2 on, 2+3 on, 2+3 off.. 2 on, 2+3 on etc etc...?

    The full sequential when brake pedal used here:



    Is not fully road legal here in Aus (as it works in the US).

    I would think at least 1 globe must be permanently fixed red to be road legal (strictly speaking).

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    #17 alexcs, Jan 5, 2018
    Been thinking about this, I think what people will want to customise are these modes:

    Stock:

    As Factory

    Stock plus triple red brakes:

    Triple red brakes, stock function when indicating at all times

    Triple red brakes + sequential indicating (brake priority):

    Triple red brake
    1, 12, 123, 0, 1,12,123,0 etc sequential indicating
    On braking and indicating, revert to stock indicator behavior on indicator side, triple red on other side

    Triple red brakes + sequential indicating (indicator priority):

    Triple red brake
    1, 12, 123, 0, 1,12,123,0 etc sequential indicating
    On braking and indicating, indicating side continues sequential behavior, other side triple red.

    This gives the customer good control over how they want the lights used. I'm not sure the people in the market for this mod will want the brake light coming back on when in full sequential mode to attempt to satisfy ADR's (which I dont think it will.) If people have the above modes, they can choose a road legal mode when on road, or take the risk otherwise.

    Regardless as long as the above modes are included it is a moot point.

    What do others think?
     
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    #18 ExoticPonyMods, Jan 6, 2018
    Currently the default sequential mode, where blinker and brake can co-exist seems to be the most popular and logical way. We are currently running some minor tweaks here and there in the software.

    Here is video on comparing both 2018 and 2015+ tail lights while running EPM sequencers. (note the factory 2018 does no different than 2015 tail lights).

    The 3A3R LED kits videos hopefully will be out soon.

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    #19 Notes, Jan 27, 2018
    Hi Ray, any news/updates on the sequence boards? Thx
     
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    #20 ExoticPonyMods, Jan 27, 2018
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    We are planning a soft launch event in Lorbek luxury car in Melbourne Australia next week.

    And after talking to many customers, we have now settled with 7 Modes:

    • Mode 1: Cursor Indicator + Triple Red Brake
    • Mode 2: Sequential Indicator + Gradual Triple Red Brake
    • Mode 3: Cursor Indicator + Gradual Triple Red Brake
    • Mode 4: Triple Amber Brake + Triple Red Brake (Turn priority)
    • Mode 5: USDM Mode (All RED, Turn priority)
    • Mode 6: Sequential Indicator + Triple Red Brake (Default Mode)
    • Mode 7: AUS/EU Factory Mode

    This shall hopefully meet everyone's need!!

    I will make a few proper videos on the installation, detailed review on each modes etc. But here are some quick low quality sneak peek:

    Mode 1: Cursor Indicator + Triple Red Brake     <-- Video corrected
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    Mode 4: Triple Amber Brake + Triple Red Brake (Turn priority)
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    Mode 5: USDM Mode (All RED, Turn priority)
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    Mode 6: Sequential Indicator + Triple Red Brake (Default Mode)
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    The plan is then we will be working with distributors and partner mod shops in Australia and around the world in about 4 weeks from that.

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