Rationale for choosing Ecoboost HPP over GT?

[glockholiday]

There's way more people sitting in an EB or V6 Mustang wishing they had a V8, than there are people sitting in a V8 Mustang wishing they had an EB or V6

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[TeeLew]

There's way more people sitting in an EB or V6 Mustang wishing they had a V8, than there are people sitting in a V8 Mustang wishing they had an EB or V6

At what point did you get the impression I gave a Frenchman's F about what anyone is sitting around and wishing about?

 

[Oakley]

At what point did you get the impression I gave a Frenchman's F about what anyone is sitting around and wishing about?

its just a strawman fallacy.

 

[TeeLew]

Doesn’t make the “bought” guy/gal any less of a car person.

I disagree. A buyer can be a car person, sure, but the person who builds a car will see the car in a different way. Further, those guys that build a car from the ground up including design have a closer connection, yet.

If a guy starts out with a stack of tubing and ends up with a car. Do you really think the guy who has done this is the same as some guy who just stroked a check? The guy who built the car from scratch doesn't.

 

[TeeLew]

its just a strawman fallacy.

An absurd one at that...

 

[TeeLew]

You know what another funny thing is? The Eco drives a lot more like the old cars than the Coyote. It makes a bunch of torque at low revs and then runs out of steam early. That's what almost all those old cars did. Sure a Boss 302 & Z28 302 could turn good revs, but not much else did. If it had hydraulic lifters in the 60's-70's era, then you weren't going to run it past 6k. The valvetrain couldn't support it. Solid lifter cars could actually rev, but there weren't many. K-code 289's and the Boss models from Ford were the only high revvers.

The 5.0 from the 80"s ran out of breath at about 4800 rpm. The HPP makes power to about 6200 (6750 redline). They had 300 lbft... So good torque, but not difficult to beat. The Coyote makes great power, but if you're going to compare it with an old car, then it would be something exotic. It's not a big-block muscle-car grunter. They make great power, but they have to rev to do it. That's just reality. If you're looking to recreate the past, the LS engines are the closest current option.

 

[2BigPups]

You know what another funny thing is? The Eco drives a lot more like the old cars than the Coyote. It makes a bunch of torque at low revs and then runs out of steam early. That's what almost all those old cars did. Sure a Boss 302 & Z28 302 could turn good revs, but not much else did. If it had hydraulic lifters in the 60's-70's era, then you weren't going to run it past 6k. The valvetrain couldn't support it.

The redline revs were actually quite a bit lower. 289, 302, 351C, and 351W (most common V8 displacements 1968-1973) were all 4500 - 5000 RPM stock. Built, maybe another 1K, but prone to less than desirable reliability (hence the term grenading an engine).

A completely stock EB out performs 99% of Mustangs manufactured from 1964 - 2006. Yep, manufactured, not strictly halo cars. Even the 2011 V6 Mustangs had more HP than the 2010 V8s.

In the Car & Driver Lightning Lap, the 2020 HP HPP (3:04.4) is quicker than the 2015 GT (3:05.2), 2011 GT (3:08.6), 2011 V6 (3:12.5), 2010 GT (3:13.3) , 2015 EB (3:15.6), and 2006 GT (3:20.9). Yeah, yeah, the V8 "sounded better", but the HP HPP is quicker than the V8 in any area other than 1/4 mile sprints or pulling from a high RPM dig. Canyon carver, technical track rat, 28 MPG daily commuter... HP HPP.

 

[ice445]

Can we all agree everyone is wrong and lock the thread lol

 

[SEAICE]

Meh. The only thing built vs bought tells me is if someone has the time, space and ability to do the build themselves. Doesn’t make the “bought” guy/gal any less of a car person.

Built vs bought tells me who this guy is. He seems more like a BMW convertible type of a guy to me with every post.

As far as "Car Culture." It's the V8 guys that are worked up about the 4's. The 4 guys are fine with the 8. I'm just giving it back for sport. Physician heal thyself.

I disagree. A buyer can be a car person, sure, but the person who builds a car will see the car in a different way. Further, those guys that build a car from the ground up including design have a closer connection, yet.

If a guy starts out with a stack of tubing and ends up with a car. Do you really think the guy who has done this is the same as some guy who just stroked a check? The guy who built the car from scratch doesn't.

The Mustang has never been a Muscle Car. Rattle on all you want. You don't know sh!t from apple butter about cars. I don't give a damn how many you've owned

WTF do you really know? What are your qualifications to make such statements? I see you're working on cars, but is this what you do for a living? Or are you some techie with an expensive car hobby? I worked in garages and paint & body shops in the 70s and do my own work. I've done frame-off restos on Triumphs and Jeeps in my garage except machine work. Take a long drag on that Juul and relax.

 

[TeeLew]

WTF do you really know? What are your qualifications to make such statements?

Because the only good argument for you is one from authority? As far as qualifications go, I've got them, but I'm not going to parade them around because I'm not that kind of guy and I have nothing to prove, especially to you.

I'm impressed that you've actually done some work on cars, and 4 cylinders, no less. See, you don't need a big engine to like a car, do you?

Take your Geritol and STFU.

(If we're leaving parting shots.)

 

[young at heart]

Can we all agree everyone is wrong and lock the thread lol

I‘m all in favor of free expression but yeah, this has reached a point where it’s becoming not much more than a few guys trying to show that they can think up a more clever quip than the last guy. Not much more than mental masturbation. Ever notice how it’s often the same guys thread after thread?

On the other hand, if you have time to waste it is kinda funny to watch them struggle.

 

[Oakley]

Can we all agree everyone is wrong and lock the thread lol

nah, locking threads you don't like is dumb.

OK you win... But I do have a sincere question and am just curious. Blow me off and don't answer if you want... Why do you have a Mustang, including the '89, rather than a Camaro, Challenger, Charger. etc. or any other turbo such as the Focus RS, or European or Japanese cars? I only have a Mustang for the (American) V8, 4-seats, and a convertible. And compared to a Camaro, they're way better looking and you can see out of them better. Engine-wise, I'd prefer an LS motor. Amazing as the Coyote and the 10AT are, they're not ideal.

RWD > *

i almost bought a GR86 instead of my GT. the S550 mustang is just the best of all the american options in terms of total package. the GR86 is beautiful, awesome, and way cheaper, i just couldn't even get one to test drive and it wasn't big enough.

 

[Oakley]

You know what another funny thing is? The Eco drives a lot more like the old cars than the Coyote. It makes a bunch of torque at low revs and then runs out of steam early. That's what almost all those old cars did. Sure a Boss 302 & Z28 302 could turn good revs, but not much else did. If it had hydraulic lifters in the 60's-70's era, then you weren't going to run it past 6k. The valvetrain couldn't support it. Solid lifter cars could actually rev, but there weren't many. K-code 289's and the Boss models from Ford were the only high revvers.

this is correct. my GT doesn't have a mountain of torque everywhere like my cobra did.

 

[RagmopInKona]

There's way more people sitting in an EB or V6 Mustang wishing they had a V8, than there are people sitting in a V8 Mustang wishing they had an EB or V6

Doubt it. Most buy what they want. For most people the Mustang is a gift to one self.
Sad some have a twisted view of reality .

 

[S550 HPP]

The following is just my experience:

I have never had anyone ask me why I didn't get a V8. Even when I went on the Memorial Day Mustang ride here in Wasatch Mountains. All I got was thumbs up from Mustang enthusiasts. The HPP just looks cool to me. To me, it has a PP2 vibe to it with the wheels, splitter, Magneride and more modest spoiler.

I've gotten more compliments on the looks of this car than any other I've owned and that includes a 1991 white Camry.

Is it a fire-breathing Shelby, no. But I knew exactly what I was getting when I ordered it. And I couldn't be happier. The sad thing is if I totalled it, I couldn't replace it with a new one, since you can only get an A10 in the S650 with the EB.

Maybe later in the S650 production cycle Ford will resurrect the HPP with M6.

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