Rationale for choosing Ecoboost HPP over GT?

[JoeSpeed]

it is weird how angry people get over the EB.

i bought a mustang last year.
What i wanted:
A convertible that can seat 4.
STANDARD STICK shift.
Ability to modify.

What is the point of arguing about the EB vs the v8 if its an automatic trans?
The heart of a pony car is driving a manual and being able to modify. With some changes you can even get the same hp as a v8. And its faster than many predecessors already as others mentioned.


i would choose a manual trans EB over a auto v8 all day. If i could have found a manual v8 i would have bought one. To me personally, if i cant shift through gears, a sports car hp is waisted anyway.

the real sad truth is manual trans are dying.

Goes back to my theory about the middleman, the dealerships. Dealers want a quick sale, and customers want a quick purchase. They phased out manuals as most people don't wanna sit and order them, and the ones that do will wait, or they'll take their one or two on the lot and fight over it.

I presume (And I can be wrong) that if more people truly had the choice and were patient, there'd be a bit more sticks available.

Also, as much as I'd love to get a V8, if I were in your shoes, I'd do it all over again with an EB so long as it's a ragtop mustang with a stick

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[S550 HPP]

They phased out manuals as most people don't wanna sit and order them, and the ones that do will wait, or they'll take their one or two on the lot and fight over it.

I presume (And I can be wrong) that if more people truly had the choice and were patient, there'd be a bit more sticks available.

That was me. I wanted a Mustang since '79. On the lot in Salt Lake in January 2020 were so many A10s, so many with stripes or 20 inch wheels I didn't want. I wasn't going to settle for what was on the lot. So I ordered my loaded HPP w/ HP and the M6 and waited. I waited since '79, a few weeks wouldn't matter. I figured this was the only Mustang I was likely to get at my age, so I got exactly what I wanted.

 

[Onewolf]

When I bought my 2022 GT Premium Coupe 6MT from Ourismann Ford at the end of December '22 they had 110 Mustangs available and 43 were 6MT. So I guess it depends on the dealer's ordering preference.

As far as my original question on this thread, within 5 or 6 replies I got reasonable/understandable answers as to why someone would choose an Ecoboost HPP over a base GT. And then 16 pages of dick swinging nonsense.

I traded my 2022 GT in on the 2023 Ecoboost convertible and I'm SO MUCH happier with the convertible. I like the Ecoboost convertible so much I have already starting making upgrades: Steeda 19x10 wheels and summer tires. Next I plan to upgrade the brakes to Brembos and better rotors. And then suspension work to fix the brake dive and body roll. I probably should have bought an HPP Ecoboost instead. Lol.

 

[stannypack]

When I bought my 2022 GT Premium Coupe 6MT from Ourismann Ford at the end of December '22 they had 110 Mustangs available and 43 were 6MT. So I guess it depends on the dealer's ordering preference.

As far as my original question on this thread, within 5 or 6 replies I got reasonable/understandable answers as to why someone would choose an Ecoboost HPP over a base GT. And then 16 pages of dick swinging nonsense.

I traded my 2022 GT in on the 2023 Ecoboost convertible and I'm SO MUCH happier with the convertible. I like the Ecoboost convertible so much I have already starting making upgrades: Steeda 19x10 wheels and summer tires. Next I plan to upgrade the brakes to Brembos and better rotors. And then suspension work to fix the brake dive and body roll. I probably should have bought an HPP Ecoboost instead. Lol.

I got my ecoboost from them as well lol, bargained 26k to 23k on a new 22. They had like 40 manual gts and 3 manual ecos at the time

 

[SEAICE]

You youngsters (40-something or younger) will determine the direction the Mustang goes in the future, but for your information, for those of us who were teenagers in the 60s and 70s, "Muscle Cars" were defined by big V8 engines, period. No 6s, no 4s... Also, manual transmissions were not required. In fact, at the dragstrip, then, as now auto transmissions ruled. TH 350/400s, Poweglides and FMX transmissions with shift kits and high stall speed torque converters were what won races. Manuals were fun to do burn outs with, but that's about it. For most of us, on the street, Muscle cars were about the sound first and smoking the tires from one light to another. They didn't handle for crap and we didn't care. 6 cylinder Mustangs and (god forbid) 4 cylider Mustangs were for Charlies's Angels... We'd rather have a 150HP neutered Cobra II with a V8 and glass packs than a turbo-4 SVO. I've had tons of cars through the years including BMW M cars, Mercedes 550s, Jaguar XK and numerous Corvettes C3-6... When I decided on a retirement daily-driver, I went with my GT because of the looks, history, sound and "grunt". If I wanted a track car, I'd have stuck with a 'Vette or BMW (particularly an N-54 135i). I don't care how fast or good-handling a turbo 4 or 6 cylinder Mustang might be, it's not a Mustang to me. Just like the Porsche guys will never warm up to a 4 cylinder 911.

 

[FreePenguin]

Hahaha nice!

Everyone has reasons for why they chose what they chose. Even automatics; maybe someone has a left leg injury or something.

But its pretty obnoxious when people trash on others.

I searched for months and months for any manual mustang convertible. It was like finding a needle in a hay stack. Finally found my EB, and its a blast to drive. No regrets.

Had i not bought the EB i would still probably be looking.

Becoming a real thing for me. I’m 32 about to be 33. I’ve only owned manuals. I’m not done yet but I don’t think I will be able to drive forever, my leg hurts on occasion from my injuries from military/infantry/airborne etc.

Hell a few days ago I dropped my motorcycle, I was tired/etc lost footing moving bike around. But I can totally see a day where I won’t be able to comfortably drive a daily manual anymore.
Hope it’s not anytime soon though

 

[S550 HPP]

I don't care how fast or good-handling a turbo 4 or 6 cylinder Mustang might be, it's not a Mustang to me.

There has never been a Mustang model year that was solely V8. Each year they sold tens of thousands of I6s or V6s. And now EBs. That is what kept the Mustang production lines going, not unwavering devotion to V8s.

If the Mustang had been solely a V8 model, Ford would have killed it decades ago. You drive a 2018 Mustang GT convertible because Ford makes S550 EB Mustangs.

 

[TeeLew]

You youngsters (40-something or younger) will determine the direction the Mustang goes in the future, but for your information, for those of us who were teenagers in the 60s and 70s, "Muscle Cars" were defined by big V8 engines, period. No 6s, no 4s... Also, manual transmissions were not required. In fact, at the dragstrip, then, as now auto transmissions ruled. TH 350/400s, Poweglides and FMX transmissions with shift kits and high stall speed torque converters were what won races. Manuals were fun to do burn outs with, but that's about it. For most of us, on the street, Muscle cars were about the sound first and smoking the tires from one light to another. They didn't handle for crap and we didn't care. 6 cylinder Mustangs and (god forbid) 4 cylider Mustangs were for Charlies's Angels... We'd rather have a 150HP neutered Cobra II with a V8 and glass packs than a turbo-4 SVO. I've had tons of cars through the years including BMW M cars, Mercedes 550s, Jaguar XK and numerous Corvettes C3-6... When I decided on a retirement daily-driver, I went with my GT because of the looks, history, sound and "grunt". If I wanted a track car, I'd have stuck with a 'Vette or BMW (particularly an N-54 135i). I don't care how fast or good-handling a turbo 4 or 6 cylinder Mustang might be, it's not a Mustang to me. Just like the Porsche guys will never warm up to a 4 cylinder 911.

I am so sick of F'ing Boomers.

 

[Oakley]

I am so sick of F'ing Boomers.

there's just no talking people out of what they like. some people will take a steaming pile of shit with their preferred label on it over something objectively better in every way.

 

[R3G]

TrueBlue totally gets it. I ordered by HPP w/HP MT-82 very early in Feb 2020. and wanted a Mustang since '79. I test drove a standard EB manual, a HPP A10 w/o HP, a GT with the A10 and a GT manual.

Also I drove a 2019 EB premium convertible on the Big Island in 2019 for two weeks, so I was well aware of what driving an EB A10 would be like.

I wanted a Mustang fastback with max options and when I priced mine with every option minus Recaros and the A10, the GT was $12K more. I didn't think I would enjoy the V8 $12K more than the HPP w/HP.

Having said that, I know there are folks who count the world lost if a Mustang doesn't have a V8. But come on, the allure of the Mustang has always been that it can be ordered the way you want it. Some of the first Mustangs in April of '64 had inline sixes with automatics that were nothing but fancy Falcons . . . and zillions were sold in months.

For every GT owner that looks down on the HPP driver, there is some M1 driver wondering why you got just a GT. Or some GT500 enthusiast that thinks if you don't drive a Shelby, you are missing out.

This Mustang on Mustang violence should end. We need to turn our venom towards the real enemy: Camaro drivers.

Have heard good things about the HPP Ecoboost, especially with the M6. Sad Ford dropped the M6 with the S650…I saw a HPP in the parking garage at work. Looked really clean.

 

[TeeLew]

Porsche 4 cylinder. You know, the fastest F'n car ever around the Nordschleife? I'm pretty sure I'm wired into Porsches more than you are and I have yet to find someone with a gripe about this one.

 

[shogun32]

I'm pretty sure I'm wired into Porsches more than you are and I have yet to find someone with a gripe about this one.

sure but how the heck do you drive up to C&C in one of those, let alone get in or out of it when you're 50+ yrs old? That's the rub. The tweed-cap pipe-smoking set has to approve and a dedicated race car need not sully the same airspace as a fashionable 911 with 1960/70's design language fully intact.

 

[Brisvegas]

This thread got a few " players " who act an age that's not legal age to drive #nuffsaid #smalldickvibes

 

[SEAICE]

Porsche 4 cylinder. You know, the fastest F'n car ever around the Nordschleife? I'm pretty sure I'm wired into Porsches more than you are and I have yet to find someone with a gripe about this one.

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There has never been a Mustang model year that was solely V8. Each year they sold tens of thousands of I6s or V6s. And now EBs. That is what kept the Mustang production lines going, not unwavering devotion to V8s.

If the Mustang had been solely a V8 model, Ford would have killed it decades ago. You drive a 2018 Mustang GT convertible because Ford makes S550 EB Mustangs.

That's true (but if there were no Mustang GT or a non-V8 GT, I'd likely be driving an M4 or M235I convertible). I believe the first Mustang off the assembly line was a six-cylinder and I think 6cyl sales were always more than the V8s, but that's true about almost every car. They sell better because they're cheaper to buy, insure and operate, and some people just don't care about (performance) cars. It's like this... I've had all sorts of cool cars over the years, and with almost all of them, I could not pass another (Corvette, M3, 135i, XK, Z4, Fiat and Alfa Spiders...) without the other driver flipping their high beams or waving. In this Mustang, I'd say 70% of other Mustang owners don't even notice when we've passed each other, except the GTs, Shelbys, and the occasional (always modified) 6cyl or ecoboost owner. Despite this, I get more thumbs up from more different types of people, young and old, in my GT than any other car I've owned. Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, GTOs, G8s, Chargers, Corvettes, Impalas/SSs... Are all synomonous with V8s. It's fundamentally what they are all about. I hated the Buick GNs when they were new... Amazingly fast for the day, but without the V8 sound... Not interested. Sound ultimately is the point; Muscle cars should sound like V

I am so sick of F'ing Boomers.

Wow TeeLew... F'ing hate your parents too? Or do they coddle you enough to keep you happy?

 

[RagmopInKona]

You can come up with all of the excuses to tell better about having an Ecoboost Mustang but deep down you know your should’ve gotten the V8 instead.

I know because I was one of you(I had a 2017 V6, hence my username name) justifying my purchase over the V8.

Until I went to a dealer and test drove a 2017 GT performance package and roster the rear tires with no effort. The same day I traded my V6 for the V8 I currently own.

Don’t fool yourself

Wrong and wrong. Comparing the v6 to the turbo 4 is a joke.
Also. If ford put the 2.7 or 3.7 twin hair drier engine in the stang you would not own a v8. As it smoke the v8 without even trying.
I didn't buy the v8 because it was 26k more and handled like crap even with the pp1. It in a turn was tight on entry and snap loose on mid turn to exit.
That is not good. Ya it has the v8 roar. But if that is all the gt brings at its cost. I'd buy a fox body first and throw 10k in upgrades at it. Anyone can go fast in a straight line.

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