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People that have that type of disposable income are seldom, “morons”. Nor do they just throw money around without a risk rewards thought process. I’m betting the original purchaser paid an adm to buy the car. Which side of the intelligence slide are they on.


" Offering for sale because my priorities changed at the moment. "

Lol, mine would too if I found a moron to pay $100k more than I paid.
 

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I thought it was hilarious some said it had a lot of miles. Lmao. Be curious where it ends.
Lol right? I have 5,106 miles on my 20 R. Those guys probably wouldn't even bid on my "high mileage" R. Oh well, I bought it to enjoy it. 👍
 

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People that have that type of disposable income are seldom, “morons”. Nor do they just throw money around without a risk rewards thought process. I’m betting the original purchaser paid an adm to buy the car. Which side of the intelligence slide are they on.
I realize my comment seemed obtuse but I assure you, having money is frequently not a good measure of intelligence. There truly is an ass for every seat ;)
 

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The crazy part of these "investors" buying these R's now for 130k-150k is that they already missed the boat on 60k worth of appreciation. Do we really think these things are going to get to 200k even if you hold it for 10 years without driving it? At this point it's just not a smart investment. You'll probably be able to get your money back, but the goal of investing is not just to break even. And that doesn't account for cost of ownership and storage. A good comparison for me are the 2005-06 Ford GTs, their prices jumped like crazy from MSRP initially, but have established a remarkably stable market since then. Anyone buying a GT from about 2008 on has not been in a position to turn much of a profit compared to the cash on hand required to play until our recent inflation explosion. So I would have had to hold an asset for 13 years with minimal growth waiting for this bonkers economy to make money. Not worth it.
 

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Lol right? I have 5,106 miles on my 20 R. Those guys probably wouldn't even bid on my "high mileage" R. Oh well, I bought it to enjoy it. 👍

Im at 11K miles on my R now- they would think my car is ready for the junk yard with so many miles lol
 

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The crazy part of these "investors" buying these R's now for 130k-150k is that they already missed the boat on 60k worth of appreciation. Do we really think these things are going to get to 200k even if you hold it for 10 years without driving it? At this point it's just not a smart investment. You'll probably be able to get your money back, but the goal of investing is not just to break even. And that doesn't account for cost of ownership and storage. A good comparison for me are the 2005-06 Ford GTs, their prices jumped like crazy from MSRP initially, but have established a remarkably stable market since then. Anyone buying a GT from about 2008 on has not been in a position to turn much of a profit compared to the cash on hand required to play until our recent inflation explosion. So I would have had to hold an asset for 13 years with minimal growth waiting for this bonkers economy to make money. Not worth it.
I wonder to what degree the people paying these prices are investing or simply trying to accumulate the best examples of ICE due to the extinction event everyone is expecting from EV’s. I specifically went after my R for the latter because there will never be another Voodoo and it has the best characteristics of ICE in spades. I want that brash and loud rasp with a manual transmission as my toy car, even more so once everything has gone silent.
 

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I wonder to what degree the people paying these prices are investing or simply trying to accumulate the best examples of ICE due to the extinction event everyone is expecting from EV’s. I specifically went after my R for the latter because there will never be another Voodoo and it has the best characteristics of ICE in spades. I want that brash and loud rasp with a manual transmission as my toy car, even more so once everything has gone silent.

I think this is part of it - I drove a GT500 and GT350 back to back about 4 times before I bought my 350.

The GT500 was incredible- but it was missing that something special the GT350 had - the GT350 was closer to that raw feeling that was the exact polar opposite of new EVs - this what I wanted
 

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The crazy part of these "investors" buying these R's now for 130k-150k is that they already missed the boat on 60k worth of appreciation. Do we really think these things are going to get to 200k even if you hold it for 10 years without driving it? At this point it's just not a smart investment. You'll probably be able to get your money back, but the goal of investing is not just to break even. And that doesn't account for cost of ownership and storage. A good comparison for me are the 2005-06 Ford GTs, their prices jumped like crazy from MSRP initially, but have established a remarkably stable market since then. Anyone buying a GT from about 2008 on has not been in a position to turn much of a profit compared to the cash on hand required to play until our recent inflation explosion. So I would have had to hold an asset for 13 years with minimal growth waiting for this bonkers economy to make money. Not worth it.
The 08 GTs are starting to rise again. Where are they headed? No clue. All of this is a calculated risk. If you can afford to risk, play on
 

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Analog performance cars are dying an accelerated death, thanks to government regulations, electrification and tech for the sake of tech. Not everyone wants to drive an appliance, but new cars are going in that direction.

Keep in mind that a base model R could not be built today, thanks to no backup camera.
 

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Analog performance cars are dying an accelerated death, thanks to government regulations, electrification and tech for the sake of tech. Not everyone wants to drive an appliance, but new cars are going in that direction.

Keep in mind that a base model R could not be built today, thanks to no backup camera.
Agreed! That and people who cant get their face out of their phones. Despite the claims, ICE is here to stay for a while. M<y guess is as long as it take for the next technology which will put EVs on the same path
 

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Agreed! That and people who cant get their face out of their phones. Despite the claims, ICE is here to stay for a while. M<y guess is as long as it take for the next technology which will put EVs on the same path
Define awhile. Almost every make is shutting down new ICE development. The platforms released over the next few years will probably be last mass market ICE chassis. Through 2030 you're still in good shape with relatively modern platforms however they will be aging and not getting replaced. I expect boutique makes to carry the torch for awhile, but stuff like the mustang is absolutely going away once sales on the s650 dip enough. Thing is performance EV will easily outrun almost any ICE. You'll have to have a distinct preference for ICE to buy one by 2030 I bet.

Fleet users are salivating at EVs from a cost saving perspective. People who buy cars as transportation appliances will buy whatever is cheap and cheap to run. EV's are predicted to be cheaper than ICE to make by 2030 without incentives. ICE will be on life support in the 2030's.

That doesn't mean it disappears immediately of course. You can expect a 20 year service life on the last ICE cars. They'll be about in normal use up to 2050ish, depending on fuel prices. I'd expect in the 2040's it'll be as weird to have a ICE car as having a EV is today though.
 

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I wonder to what degree the people paying these prices are investing or simply trying to accumulate the best examples of ICE due to the extinction event everyone is expecting from EV’s. I specifically went after my R for the latter because there will never be another Voodoo and it has the best characteristics of ICE in spades. I want that brash and loud rasp with a manual transmission as my toy car, even more so once everything has gone silent.
What he said
 

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Define awhile. Almost every make is shutting down new ICE development. The platforms released over the next few years will probably be last mass market ICE chassis. Through 2030 you're still in good shape with relatively modern platforms however they will be aging and not getting replaced. I expect boutique makes to carry the torch for awhile, but stuff like the mustang is absolutely going away once sales on the s650 dip enough. Thing is performance EV will easily outrun almost any ICE. You'll have to have a distinct preference for ICE to buy one by 2030 I bet.

Fleet users are salivating at EVs from a cost saving perspective. People who buy cars as transportation appliances will buy whatever is cheap and cheap to run. EV's are predicted to be cheaper than ICE to make by 2030 without incentives. ICE will be on life support in the 2030's.

That doesn't mean it disappears immediately of course. You can expect a 20 year service life on the last ICE cars. They'll be about in normal use up to 2050ish, depending on fuel prices. I'd expect in the 2040's it'll be as weird to have a ICE car as having a EV is today though.
I agree with most of what you stated above including the timeline. To do it we will have to build many more power generation plants at the cost too high to even speculate. Those studies came directly from the US Government. The American people will not put up with brown outs and as of now, there is no solution. The EV market will continue to grow and grow fast. I would drive one in a heartbeat around town for the savings alone although the true cost is not shown in most places. And the infrastructure needs vast improvement. That will happen. Range needs to be expanded and the affect of cold weather needs to be figured in. Performance wise, yes the performance EV is quicker than an ICE platform, not faster though. Still waiting to see a ICE vs EV at a road track in 10, 20 say, 30 minutes sessions. Where the ICE uses fuel, in general there is little to no loss in power. With a battery, we all know they will lose power as they are used. Again, I'm not anti EV like some but, I think when you look past what excites us about the EV, its best to look at the shortcomings too. And ICE have those shortcomings too but they have been developed over the years. EV has been around as long as the ICE but never enjoyed that development
 

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Define awhile. Almost every make is shutting down new ICE development. The platforms released over the next few years will probably be last mass market ICE chassis. Through 2030 you're still in good shape with relatively modern platforms however they will be aging and not getting replaced. I expect boutique makes to carry the torch for awhile, but stuff like the mustang is absolutely going away once sales on the s650 dip enough. Thing is performance EV will easily outrun almost any ICE. You'll have to have a distinct preference for ICE to buy one by 2030 I bet.
RIght now most people seem to have a preference for ICE because they cost less and generally they work better. Longer range, quicker and easier to refuel, less costly to repair, etc.

It should be interesting to see if EVs get good enough that people want to buy them. And it should be interesting if people don't buy them. Then what will happen? I mean obviously anyone who doesn't have a house with a garage probably isn't buying an EV. People who don't have the extra money laying around to rewire their garage for high voltage probably aren't going to buy EVs. People buying a million Ford pickups every year are probably less likely to buy an EV. Who's going to give up on ICE? Maybe rich people, but will they buy enough EVs to satisfy the car manufacturers?
 

 
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