Per Ford (officially) the 2011-2019 F150/Mustang 5.0 “Typewriter Tick” is a normal characteristic

[Cobra Jet]

Just putting this out here, as it’s the most recent communication (basically no change in Ford’s position on the subject matter):

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[GT 550]

Would be great if they said what it was. Their declaration that it's not detrimental suggests they must know otherwise they couldn't make such a statement.

 

[GT Pony]

Would be great if they said what it was. Their declaration that it's not detrimental suggests they must know otherwise they couldn't make such a statement.

True, how hard would it be to say in the SSM what the cause was. My theory is it's caused by some big rod end side clearances being slightly out of spec on some engines. If it was something like that and they said so, it would look bad and some people would probably be upset to hear something like that. Big rod ends randomly dancing side to side on the crank journal at low RPM isn't going to hurt anything, just make some ticking noises.

 

[ice445]

True, how hard would it be to say in the SSM what the cause was. My theory is it's caused by some big rod end side clearances being slightly out of spec on some engines. If it was something like that and they said so, it would look bad and some people would probably be upset to hear something like that. Big rod ends randomly dancing side to side on the crank journal at low RPM isn't going to hurt anything, just make some ticking noises.

My tick went away completely after I switched to Valvoline Extended Protection 5W30. But it was never a big deal anyway, I could only hear it occasionally if I really tried and was next to a wall or something. 5W20 to 5W30 isn't a huge increase in viscosity but it may mask a clearance issue like what you're describing, so there could be some merit to the theory.

 

[GT Pony]

My tick went away completely after I switched to Valvoline Extended Protection 5W30. But it was never a big deal anyway, I could only hear it occasionally if I really tried and was next to a wall or something. 5W20 to 5W30 isn't a huge increase in viscosity but it may mask a clearance issue like what you're describing, so there could be some merit to the theory.

I think it's more related to the friction level of the oil, but the viscosity can also play a role in terms of "cushioning" moving parts. That's why adding as little as 150 mL of Ceratec (a friction modifier) makes the ticking go away almost instantly due to the change in the friction level between moving parts. The way the rod big ends behave on the crank journals may be effected at lower RPM by the friction level of the oil. Some motor oils have better friction reducing additives (like Moly) than others, so using a motor oil with a relatively high Moly content may help reduce the ticking. My theory is that the way the rod big end moves around on the crank journal is effected by the friction level of the oil. And if the rod side clearance is on the max end of the clearance range, or slighlty out of spec, that magnifies the ticking.

 

[ice445]

I think it's more related to the friction level of the oil, but the viscosity can also play a role in terms of "cushioning" moving parts. That's why adding as little as 150 mL of Ceratec (a friction modifier) makes the ticking go away almost instantly due to the change in the friction level between moving parts. The way the rod big ends behave on the crank journals may be effected at lower RPM by the friction level of the oil. Some motor oils have better friction reducing additives (like Moly) than others, so using a motor oil with a relatively high Moly content may help reduce the ticking. My theory is that the way the rod big end moves around on the crank journal is effected by the friction level of the oil. And if the rod side clearance is on the max end of the clearance range, or slighlty out of spec, that magnifies the ticking.

Valvoline EP has one of the highest moly counts out there so it definitely makes sense.

 

[geep81]

I've been using Ceratec for over 4 years now in my 2020, it has worked great and stopped the tick completely and I have had 0 issues with the engine. Have about 35k miles on the car.

After reading countless articles, videos, forum posts, etc, I think everyone who's really bothered by the tick just needs to add some Ceratec at every oil change and their problems would go away.

 

[MrMike]

Mine has never done this. It's life has all been on Motorcraft oil until recently I put PUP in it.

Is the tick more common on Gen 1 and 3 than Gen 2 or does mine just not have it?

 

[Jstang23]

I've been using Ceratec for over 4 years now in my 2020, it has worked great and stopped the tick completely and I have had 0 issues with the engine. Have about 35k miles on the car.

After reading countless articles, videos, forum posts, etc, I think everyone who's really bothered by the tick just needs to add some Ceratec at every oil change and their problems would go away.

Same! Ceratec is the way to go! Not only fixes the tick but I've gotten 1-2 better MPGs and I've seen lower CHTs while on the track. Good stuff

 

[GT Pony]

Mine has never done this. It's life has all been on Motorcraft oil until recently I put PUP in it.

Is the tick more common on Gen 1 and 3 than Gen 2 or does mine just not have it?

Some Coyotes, regardless of the generation (the latest SSM 52334 shown above covers years 2011-2024), don't exhibit the ticking. So that also aligns with the ticking being caused by a parts tolerance stack-up.

 

[Firsttexan]

My 2019 GT 19k miles did not exhibit the ticking noise described. Neither does my 2019 F150 5.0 with 32k on it.
I will say the Coyote motor is a noisy engine. You can hear the phasers rolling around and various other mechanical ticks and sounds. I did add Ceratec and it did quiet both down noticeably. In the truck I didn't notice any change at first, until I took it out for a 200 mile hwy trip. Of course this is all seat of the pants and not scientific. My ears say, it did make a difference. No gas mileage change etc..

 

[TruckandaMustang]

(Note to Mods: Posting this here initially as this is the most viewed sub-forum - please leave here for at least 24hrs before moving to the Issues/TSB sub-forum - thank you).

Yep, you’re all reading the thread title correctly...

Also notice how the document expands the applicable vehicle starting year as far back to 2011, covering prior F150/Mustang 5.0 model year Customer complaints/concerns.

Since this is an official release, I would not expect Customer concerns to get much traction, as this doc will be referenced to the Customer as being “a normal characteristic”... UNLESS the noise the customer is hearing is beyond a “typewriter noise, a tap or tick”.

Can anyone let me know if I can add the ceratec to my 2021 GT after I just did an oil change? Meaning that I have the full 9.5 litres of oil in there now is adding the 300 ml of Ceratec too much or will it be okay?

 

[shogun32]

Can anyone let me know if I can add the ceratec to my 2021 GT after I just did an oil change? Meaning that I have the full 9.5 litres of oil in there now is adding the 300 ml of Ceratec too much or will it be okay?

why not consult the manufacturer's data sheet?

One full can (300 ml) used with 3–5 Liters (3.2 to 5.3 U.S. Qts) of motor oil

https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/us/cera-tec-p000017.html#20002

 

[95CobraR]

.Can anyone let me know if I can add the ceratec to my 2021 GT after I just did an oil change? Meaning that I have the full 9.5 litres of oil in there now is adding the 300 ml of Ceratec too much or will it be okay?

I would have opened the oil filter after changing the oil. If the filter is clean, there is no problem.
If the oil filter has metal particles in it, you have a problem.

 

[TruckandaMustang]

why not consult the manufacturer's data sheet?

https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/us/cera-tec-p000017.html#20002

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