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2019 gt pp a10, it’s got long tubes, and 3” corsa extreme system. Looking to buy whipple package and supporting mods. Hoping to hit mid 700 on 93 would be my goal. I have some questions with options on the kit and supporting mods

Injectors - 1000 cc
Fuel system - votex max flow bap
E85 controller - is this needed if I may want to run it in future?
Throttle body - 132 mm
Thermostat - 170 deg needed?
Spark plugs - 6510’s needed?
Vmp relocation- no idea what this is, needed?
Cobra jet -cold air intake
Mfp crank support
Tuning device - which one to get ?

Other mods not in kit
Opg gears and crank sproket - brand preference ?
Crank case breather with catch can

Lots of questions, let me know your thoughts, looking to order from beefcake soon! Thanks for any help or guidance
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I forgot to add a 3.5” of 3.625” pulley as well
 

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2019 gt pp a10, it’s got long tubes, and 3” corsa extreme system. Looking to buy whipple package and supporting mods. Hoping to hit mid 700 on 93 would be my goal. I have some questions with options on the kit and supporting mods Mid 700's is seriously pushing it on 93, see my thread here for the results

Injectors - 1000 cc
Fuel system - votex max flow bap
E85 controller - is this needed if I may want to run it in future?-Not sure what an E85 controller is, but if you wan to go E85 in the future, you're going to want a return style fuel system, Sai Lai, Arcane, or Fore are the 3 bigger names. If you go this route, you won't need a BAP.
Throttle body - 132 mm
Thermostat - 170 deg needed? Some will say yes, I say not really.
Spark plugs - 6510’s needed? Absolutely
Vmp relocation- no idea what this is, needed? If you aren't using Whipple tunes, then yes. Your tuner will need IAT2 and this splits the signal off the MAP and uses it as IAT2
Cobra jet -cold air intake Whipple supplies their own CAI.
Mfp crank support
Tuning device - which one to get ? Depends on which tuning professional you use. Let them guide you on which device.

Other mods not in kit
Opg gears and crank sproket - brand preference ?
Crank case breather with catch can

Lots of questions, let me know your thoughts, looking to order from beefcake soon! Thanks for any help or guidance
 

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I forgot to add a 3.5” of 3.625” pulley as well
If you are staying 93, you won't want either of them. The 3.875 is going to be the max you can run. Once/if you go E85, then you can use them.
 

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Whipple sells a cobra jet intake but I wouldn't recommend it for the power levels you're pursuing. Some people have experienced additional surging issues with the uptake and the MAF and it's frankly not going to make much of a difference at pump gasoline levels.

The tstat is largely a gimmick and most people don't understand how a Tstat actually works. Unless you drive the car in frigid temps, the only difference it'll make is that it'll take a little longer to reach steady state temps, which are going to be in the high 180's to low 200's most of the time anyway.

The crank support is an expensive set of suspenders. Stay off the rev limiter, properly torque the balancer bolt (and use a kinetic crank saver) and you should be fine.

Yes, you should go with NGK 6510's. Gap them per your tuner's instructions.

Catch can (oil separator) is a must for the passenger side, driver's side is optional.

You can upgrade everything now for the fuel system or just wait until you want to turn it up. There's very little efficiency gained by doing those elements now, as it's not much different for the installation after the blower is setup or during/prior. In either case you'll have to be retuned.
 

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Whipple sells a cobra jet intake but I wouldn't recommend it for the power levels you're pursuing. Some people have experienced additional surging issues with the uptake and the MAF and it's frankly not going to make much of a difference at pump gasoline levels.

The tstat is largely a gimmick and most people don't understand how a Tstat actually works. Unless you drive the car in frigid temps, the only difference it'll make is that it'll take a little longer to reach steady state temps, which are going to be in the high 180's to low 200's most of the time anyway.

The crank support is an expensive set of suspenders. Stay off the rev limiter, properly torque the balancer bolt (and use a kinetic crank saver) and you should be fine.

Yes, you should go with NGK 6510's. Gap them per your tuner's instructions.

Catch can (oil separator) is a must for the passenger side, driver's side is optional.

You can upgrade everything now for the fuel system or just wait until you want to turn it up. There's very little efficiency gained by doing those elements now, as it's not much different for the installation after the blower is setup or during/prior. In either case you'll have to be retuned.
Are you saying the intake would only be beneficial if I was pushing more power and e85?
 

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Are you saying the intake would only be beneficial if I was pushing more power and e85?
It would be more beneficial. The standard whipple intake and filter that comes with the blower kit will be fine at pump gas levels. The cobra jet kit from whipple relocates the filter further down into the wheel well area. There's some modifications that have to be made to run it because that's where the standard intercooler pump and reservoir reside.

Aside from mariginal returns, it's expensive and some people have had MAF issues with air surging at that location. My advice is to skip it and spend your money elsewhere for now.
 
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It would be more beneficial. The standard whipple intake and filter that comes with the blower kit will be fine at pump gas levels. The cobra jet kit from whipple relocates the filter further down into the wheel well area. There's some modifications that have to be made to run it because that's where the standard intercooler pump and reservoir reside.

Aside from mariginal returns, it's expensive and some people have had MAF issues with air surging at that location. My advice is to skip it and spend your money elsewhere for now.
Ahhh thank you! Good info
 

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For the power level you want on 93, just buy the complete Whipple stage 2 kit that comes with everything you need and go enjoy the car.
 

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For the power level you want on 93, just buy the complete Whipple stage 2 kit that comes with everything you need and go enjoy the car.
THIS^^ + traction mods, if you cant put it down, its useless
 

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2019 gt pp a10, it’s got long tubes, and 3” corsa extreme system. Looking to buy whipple package and supporting mods. Hoping to hit mid 700 on 93 would be my goal. I have some questions with options on the kit and supporting mods

Injectors - 1000 cc
Fuel system - votex max flow bap
E85 controller - is this needed if I may want to run it in future?
Throttle body - 132 mm
Thermostat - 170 deg needed?
Spark plugs - 6510’s needed?
Vmp relocation- no idea what this is, needed?
Cobra jet -cold air intake
Mfp crank support
Tuning device - which one to get ?

Other mods not in kit
Opg gears and crank sproket - brand preference ?
Crank case breather with catch can

Lots of questions, let me know your thoughts, looking to order from beefcake soon! Thanks for any help or guidance
Hey there! So, are you trying to get to WHP or crank? I ask because on 93 and the Whipple included tune, you can get a good 650 WHP out of it.

If you're looking to do the tuner kit, ( everything included for install minus tuning, fueling etc.. ) those injectors for ID1050X would be great. I would say the most popular seller.

Definitely would recommend both that thermostat and spark plugs. I have no idea what a VMP relocation is either haha.

You could do an after market Whipple intake, but the included one would do it. Crank Support would be a nice add-on, but not necessarily required. Maybe if you did a 10ROB down the line.

If you want to run E85, you're going to need a full return style system. The included pumps with our Division X system would be perfect. ( Walbro 465lph )

Okay, so tuning. There's obviously A LOT of great different options out there, but as far as device goes; I would say the RTD+ would be fine from HP Tuners. That's what most are using these days.

Boundary or MMR would be great for the gears and sprocket. They'll both do the job.

UPR ALL DAY for the breather and catch can is what I would use, personally. Have had them in the past and it was perfect.



If you have any other questions maybe others have not answered, we'll be more than happy to get you set up here at Lethal Performance!

ALSO, Whipple WILL be on sale as apart of our Black Friday deals coming up later this month, so we'll get you hooked up! Thanks!
 

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You don't need to spend $1k+ on 1000cc injectors unless you plan on going E85 one day. Lethal sells a BAP+55lb injector kit for a lot less that has worked well for me.
 

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2019 gt pp a10, it’s got long tubes, and 3” corsa extreme system. Looking to buy whipple package and supporting mods. Hoping to hit mid 700 on 93 would be my goal. I have some questions with options on the kit and supporting mods

Injectors - 1000 cc
Fuel system - votex max flow bap
E85 controller - is this needed if I may want to run it in future?
Throttle body - 132 mm
Thermostat - 170 deg needed?
Spark plugs - 6510’s needed?
Vmp relocation- no idea what this is, needed?
Cobra jet -cold air intake
Mfp crank support
Tuning device - which one to get ?

Other mods not in kit
Opg gears and crank sproket - brand preference ?
Crank case breather with catch can

Lots of questions, let me know your thoughts, looking to order from beefcake soon! Thanks for any help or guidance


Looks like you are looking at my Beefcake Special kit. It all depends on the hp goals and what you are trying to achieve. I sent you a pm and ill get you dialed in on what you need brother. Just like i did for your dad!!
 

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2019 gt pp a10, it’s got long tubes, and 3” corsa extreme system. Looking to buy whipple package and supporting mods. Hoping to hit mid 700 on 93 would be my goal. I have some questions with options on the kit and supporting mods

Injectors - 1000 cc
Fuel system - votex max flow bap
E85 controller - is this needed if I may want to run it in future?
Throttle body - 132 mm
Thermostat - 170 deg needed?
Spark plugs - 6510’s needed?
Vmp relocation- no idea what this is, needed?
Cobra jet -cold air intake
Mfp crank support
Tuning device - which one to get ?

Other mods not in kit
Opg gears and crank sproket - brand preference ?
Crank case breather with catch can

Lots of questions, let me know your thoughts, looking to order from beefcake soon! Thanks for any help or guidance
You won't want to go over ~10psi on pump 93, which is right around 650whp. 1000cc injector isn't necessary, but it won't hurt you. No E85 controller - like others have said, if you want to do E85, you need a full fuel system. Skip the cobra jet upgrade and you don't need a crank support at this power level. Parts houses will want to sell you a thermostat, but it isn't required. 6510s are good (listen to your tuner for gapping). My strong recommendation is Lund Racing for tuning, which will be on an RTD+ unless you can get a used nGauge (I recommend trying to find one).

UPR makes good products for catch can/breather. And for CS/OPG, you don't need them unless you use a 2-step or always hit the rev limiter, but if you'll sleep better at night then go for it.
 
 





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