Official: 2018 Ford Mustang Refresh Detailed! (Options/Features, Specs, Photos, Info)

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    I don't think we'll have to worry about that. Lots of recent V8 development, and capital expenditures. That's a Good indication it isn't going any where any time soon.

    Furthermore the profit made on V8 is likely helping with the hybrid business case. GT sales have been pretty high.

    While there likely isn't a huge delta between engines within the mustang now that the V6 is gone. Older more established power trains generally are more profitable.

    For instance a v6 Ram costs FCA more than v8, yet they charge you for the v8.
     
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    For a limited battery capacity hybrid, like the fusion, it's $4K
    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml

    And if it is close enough in price to a GT, I don't see the point of it.
    The 18 will have more low end torque (supposedly) and a lower
    first gear (like a 4.7 vs a 4.17 I think).

    The hybrid is supposed to give you even more low end torque
    than the V8? Are they fitting 325 drag radials, since the V8 cars
    can't get traction now.
     
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    I don't think we have to worry about the V8 going away anytime soon. Its also worth pointing out that the S650 timing was pulled up from '23 to '21 MY because someone decreed it on high. There's still a good chance it'll slip back some - that's all still a ways out, and a lot can change yet.
     
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    I don't understand why Ford is taking to long to release the power/torque numbers.
     
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    Competition is one reason. Second reason is they are still most likely testing the cars for final tunes/configurations. The car was expected to be released in the fall, they have time still. I'm betting we see official release sometime around June.
     
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    OK, nothing I have read gives any indication that they will NOT offer a V8 option. All they have said is there will be a hybrid, they have not said anything about eliminating the V8. The last time they (almost) did that it didn't go so well. Again, I predict the V8 and hybrid will be offered side-by-side at first, but Ford has not said anything so wait and see.

    I never said there will be a V8 hybrid. I predicted (different than "saying") that there will be an ecoboost+hybrid (maybe branded as a GT hybrid, who knows) probably between the base ecoboost and the V8 GT. It's hard to tell. Maybe Ford will put the Hybrid above the GT in the product line, but that also seems unlikely. You're right, they may just drop the base ecoboost and put the hybrid there. We just don't know. My main point is that at this time there is no indication that the V8 is being dropped in favor of the hybrid. I predict the V8 and hybrid will live side by side, at least at first.
     
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    And don't forget the added weight of electro motors and batteries. You don't want that in a GT.

    Hybrid tech is not just aimed at younger demographics but also at markets that have high taxation on CO2 emissions. With the global sales success that Ford is currently scoring with the Mustang and the increasing amount of countries that is run by tree hugging hippies it will be increasingly important to offer a low emission alternative.

    In my country for example I paid $12,000 CO2 tax on top of the price of the car in 2015. Had I bought it in 2016 that tax would have already been up to $15,000. This year it is $18,000 and in 2020 it wil be around $24,000. And mind you I'm driving an EcoBoost. The CO2 tax on a GT starts at $68,000 over here. So I for one will welcome a hybrid 4banger with open arms because with the reduced emission value compared to the regular EcoBoost the tax might drop back to around $10,000. It's actually quite simple, unless Ford introduces a hybrid version this will be the last Mustang I will ever be able to afford.
     
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    Maybe the electric motors will be driving the front tires. That would help with launch control...a lot.
     
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    I agree 100%. A Mustang without a V8 offering would be boo'd off stage even before the first one was built. And Ford knows that very well.

    They will probably retool their 4banger hybrid drivetrain to fit both the new Fusion and the new Mustang and keep building them at the same line. Makes a lot of sense to me at least.
     
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    Yup, I would like non political and topic to stay on S550's:thumbsup:
     
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    Chaps...thread tidied....please refrain from political posts. Nothing was too OTT, but I don't want this thread derailed :thumbsup:
     
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    High tech jobs for cars that save gas! Look how far the GT came.
     
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    Interesting interview by Mark Houlahan with Jim Owens running through some '18 details.

    Things to note:

    Early on, Mark mentions a forthcoming "SE" model.....and Jim grins.

    Jim also mentions the functional aero design up front that would "be required for a high performance derivative"

    Mark then tries to tease some Bullitt info towards the end.....

    http://www.mustangandfords.com/news...ertible-debuts-at-barrett-jackson-palm-beach/
     
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    Well, thanks in advance for ruining my mustang :p

    This is the only way a hybrid would be acceptable to me.
    Might even pry me out of my EVO8, if it was 3500 lbs or less,
    some form of AWD, and could relatively easily, get 400 AWHP.
     
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