Of these 3 mods, which one would you do?

[K4fxd]

Ill pull mine out and check on them. They only have 10k miles on them.

If they are stock I wouldn't worry, it's only the aftermarket gears that need periodic inspection/replacement.

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[K4fxd]

Ergo, stick with the stock 2018+ Manifold

You must have missed this. Math don't lie. I'll quote my previous post. Avg power wins the race.

You don't see very well do you? The CJ blows them all away if HP is what you are after. Another thing about these "manifold shootouts" is they are based off a 2018 manifold tune. The CJ has higher AVG power from 6000 to 8000 RPM where they stopped the test.

Below 6000 RPM the CJ only gives up power from 4500 to 5100 RPM
In the normal street ranges they are equal. Add a good tune with the CJ and smile for days.

Intake:	Peak HP:	Peak TQ:	Av. HP:	Av. TQ:	PN:
2018	549.8	472.1	438.3	441.5	JR3Z-9424-A
Cobra Jet	545.5	468.7	466.8	432.1	M-9424-M50CJA
Boss 302	531.2	461.0	430.0	433.7	M-9424-M50BR

 

[tdstuart]

If they are stock I wouldn't worry, it's only the aftermarket gears that need periodic inspection/replacement.

They are upgraded. My car has 110k miles lmao. I replaced them at 100k

 

[tdstuart]

Ergo, stick with the stock 2018+ Manifold

Test shows the cobra jet making more power over the rpm band, especially up top. Trust me there is a reason every one who builds an N/A coyote uses a cobra jet. Especially when doing other upgrades and adding cams.

In about a month I will dyno my fbo upgraded cammed car with the ported 18 and we can see what it will actually do.

 

[daSNAK3]

I would save it and get boosted.

 

[AvalancheSVT]

As far as I understand there were no changes to the 2022 motor. Am I wrong?

the oil pump was removed from the crank and is now belt driven (with a wet belt that has no service interval) living in the pan itself, i think.

sounds like with these motors revving higher ford found some issues with the old style. i was wondering why they made this seemingly random change but now it kind of makes a lot of sense.

 

[Dapepper9]

oh, btw, my car with +18 mani is shifting around 7800-7900 and was $350

You're not making power past 7400 though, you're fallin off hard. Yeah some over-rev is faster to keep you in the meat of the powerband but not that extreme

I thought I had seen something like this. Good find, sir.

...So it looks like none of the manifolds they tested were an improvement over the stock Gen III Coyote.

Yeah the dyno charts are deceptive. In reality, they're all faster than stock Gen III. Boss, gt350, cobrajet. All faster on track. Gen III is great for a stock car but that's about it

I think you should wait and find out what the S650 intake can do for you. I expect it will be an improvement if it can be fitted to the older cars. And the twin intakes will look cool as well.

Might be tough, the twin throttlebody deal isn't like the twin barrel cobrajet stuff. It's fully separate throttlebodies with their own individual connectors/wiring. Could likely split the signal though would likely have to scale pedal input down to make it driveable. Then there's also MAF concerns.

 

[K4fxd]

It's fully separate throttlebodies with their own individual connectors/wiring.

To use it on a 2 or 3 gen would probably need to make an adapter to use one TB.

Maybe the aftermarket will design a twin TB that fits it using one motor.

 

[Djetok]

Car is a gen3 manual.
Mods are Wheels & Tires, Longtubes without cats, xpipe and catback, aftermarket air intake using stock airbox + tune.
(No idea on RWHP yet, goes on the dyno this Friday to get some baseline numbers before I do one of the next 3 mods)

I have about 4k budget on my next performance mod. (a little more if needed)
On the mods I'm considering, I would have a shop do the install, so the money must cover parts & labor.

I'm considering these 3 options.

Option #1: I was thinking about the new CJ intake manifold + supporting mods/parts & tune.
Option #2: Cams, OPG, cam sprocket & tune.
Option #3: Nitrous kit & tune.

I'm assuming that 4-5k is enough to cover parts & labor on any of the 3 options.

Would the CJ intake +required supported mods make more than the cams?
And for 4k could you get a nice nitrous quality nitrous kit?

Basically I can't make up my mind, and I need to spend my money before my wife wants to buy something.

Option #4 LtH w/cats (your going to have a hard time finding someone to tune w/o cats), axle back, CAI, and E tune. Then OPG and a boost.

 

[vanquishvzla]

You're not making power past 7400 though, you're fallin off hard. Yeah some over-rev is faster to keep you in the meat of the powerband but not that extreme

meaning you are staying on peak power after every shift…

 

[TheShit]

Option #4 LtH w/cats (your going to have a hard time finding someone to tune w/o cats), axle back, CAI, and E tune. Then OPG and a boost.

Having no cats in my area isn't a big deal.

 

[Djetok]

Having no cats in my area isn't a big deal.

Here either, getting someone to tune a catless car with all the fines the EPA is handing out changes the ability to get a tune. Check with your tuner before you buy catless headers.

 

[K4fxd]

Here either, getting someone to tune a catless car with all the fines the EPA is handing out.

They will tune it, just won't turn off the check engine light

 

[Dapepper9]

meaning you are staying on peak power after every shift…

Yeah but going too far with it like you reduces average

To use it on a 2 or 3 gen would probably need to make an adapter to use one TB.

Maybe the aftermarket will design a twin TB that fits it using one motor.

Would probably be some weird Ypipe thing if they do. Will be interesting to see

 

[Hack]

Might be tough, the twin throttlebody deal isn't like the twin barrel cobrajet stuff. It's fully separate throttlebodies with their own individual connectors/wiring. Could likely split the signal though would likely have to scale pedal input down to make it driveable. Then there's also MAF concerns.

Good points and I agree. You would probably want to go to an aftermarket ECU or a tune on a S650 ECU (lots of assumptions there).

To use it on a 2 or 3 gen would probably need to make an adapter to use one TB.

Maybe the aftermarket will design a twin TB that fits it using one motor.

Those might be ways to make it work as well.

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