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Now that the Hoard of thieves, EPA etc. will be either shut down or slapped into place. Effect on OEM and aftermarket upgrades performance, etc.?

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I’m thinking with adults in leadership now, and finally addressing the din of thieves, corruption, treason, etc., will be a massive win for US! Shutting down a lot of government agencies or putting real USA Constitution be believing citizens in charge of the EPA, etc. will allow manufacturers to make quality products that last and perform. Do you think this will open up upgrades and performance improvements in a big way?
my 10r80 transmission is a pile of dung since 2k miles of ownership. I am hoping OEM and the aftermarket will attack with a vengeance to improve quality and and longevity.
I wonder how much the EPA, etc. really forced manufacturers into making everything far too light weight, too MPG focused? Too much plastic and aluminum in areas where steel or a stronger heavier material should have been used equaling short lifespans of every thing.
Also the previous traitors and morons, restricting the level of performance by aftermarket and OEM tunes, etc.?
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I’m thinking with adults in leadership now, and finally addressing the din of thieves, corruption, treason, etc., will be a massive win for US! Shutting down a lot of government agencies or putting real USA Constitution be believing citizens in charge of the EPA, etc. will allow manufacturers to make quality products that last and perform. Do you think this will open up upgrades and performance improvements in a big way?
my 10r80 transmission is a pile of dung since 2k miles of ownership. I am hoping OEM and the aftermarket will attack with a vengeance to improve quality and and longevity.
I wonder how much the EPA, etc. really forced manufacturers into making everything far too light weight, too MPG focused? Too much plastic and aluminum in areas where steel or a stronger heavier material should have been used equaling short lifespans of every thing.
Also the previous traitors and morons, restricting the level of performance by aftermarket and OEM tunes, etc.?
Don’t get two excited as most of what’s done is at the state level and that’s not going to change. Also the lawyers are going to get rich on the lawsuits being brought against every illegal executive action that gets made (some are, some are not). Those lawsuits will prevent anything from changing.

Oh, and by the way,there is nothing the government can do about your transmission. But you can try your dealer. 🤭👍
 

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I wonder how much the EPA, etc. really forced manufacturers into making everything far too light weight, too MPG focused? Too much plastic and aluminum in areas where steel or a stronger heavier material should have been used equaling short lifespans of every thing.
Also the previous traitors and morons, restricting the level of performance by aftermarket and OEM tunes, etc.?
Hello; I get the points you are making and do find them valid. A thing is we do not know the outcome of all the political wrangling and agency maneuvers. Keep in mind that when making deals some compromises are bound to happen.
There is also the turnaround time for big changes. using the 10 speed as one example there was a lot of money invested in it as it exists. I suspect some number of units will have to be built and used in order to turn a profit after the enormous capital outlay of GM & Ford.
Next but not last thing to consider is this is to be an ongoing struggle. We will have to hold the house & senate in two years else the promise can be lost. The courts & agencies will drag things out as much as they can. But there at least is a glimmer of hope now.
 

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I thought about this. The only thing that stood out was the carbon trap removal. Maybe a revised tune to remove the sleeve as well.
 

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None of this happened in his first term and it won't happen in his 2nd.

Or as the old saying goes, wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up first.
 

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I think the car manufacturers are driving a lot of these regulations due to their greed. I think they want cars to be really expensive so they get a better profit margin. And they want cars to be really complex so that people are more likely to throw them away rather than rebuild them.

Yes, the government may reduce regulations. It would be great if gas guzzler taxes went away and CAFE standards were rolled back. But will the car companies build cheaper, more reliable cars?
 

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I think the car manufacturers are driving a lot of these regulations due to their greed. I think they want cars to be really expensive so they get a better profit margin. And they want cars to be really complex so that people are more likely to throw them away rather than rebuild them.

Yes, the government may reduce regulations. It would be great if gas guzzler taxes went away and CAFE standards were rolled back. But will the car companies build cheaper, more reliable cars?
No. And taxes and Cafe standards changing will not matter. Car companies are already locked into the current standards and would be unable to change them before a new administration comes in.
 

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And taxes and Cafe standards changing will not matter. Car companies are already locked into the current standards and would be unable to change them before a new administration comes in.
Hello; Have to disagree with you here. Changing of taxes and standards always matter. You are partially correct with reference to current CAFE standards. Cars on the lots today are subject to existing CAFE standards, that is correct
A main point of contention had been about stricter future standards planned to be applied to ICE vehicles in the near future. Some companies have warned the upcoming CAFE standards will be very hard and perhaps not possible to meet.
Of course such was the point of the stricter standards. Set the bar so high that ICE vehicles become too difficult/too expensive to build compared to EV's. Another aspect of the war on fossil fuels to put it one way. I suspect that those upcoming standards were trotted out during the late administration was not an accident.
My take being the plan was to get the new rules in place while they could with the hope the "deep state" staff running the alphabet agencies would be able to keep the strict standards in play. Does not appear to be the case now, does it?
 

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Car manufactures are only bothered about profit, a good friend of mine used to work for Jaguar in the design department. The accountants look at every part and decision and are always looking for a cheaper option. One example he was telling me the design team wanted to have the oil type put on the oil filler cap in a screen print process for the F Type, this never happened because the accountants decided the information was already in the handbook and on a sticker in the engine bay.
Car manufacturers want us to have electric cars because they will have a shorter life and we are unlikely to be able to repair them for as long as we can combustion powered vehicles.
 

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Car manufactures are only bothered about profit
Same holds true for any manufacturer. Wonder why we no longer have a lit A10 gate, cup holder or glovebox lights. It’s been the designers vs. the bean counters since the beginning. But we still have our V8, M6, rear wheel drive monster. I’ll give up a few bells & whistles to keep that.
 

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Car manufactures are only bothered about profit, a good friend of mine used to work for Jaguar in the design department. The accountants look at every part and decision and are always looking for a cheaper option. One example he was telling me the design team wanted to have the oil type put on the oil filler cap in a screen print process for the F Type, this never happened because the accountants decided the information was already in the handbook and on a sticker in the engine bay.
Car manufacturers want us to have electric cars because they will have a shorter life and we are unlikely to be able to repair them for as long as we can combustion powered vehicles.
Hello; Under "normal" circumstances we consumers get to vote with our pocketbooks. A value for the dollar sort of dynamic. If a manufacturer cheaps out on parts we can make a different choice.
That said current times are not normal. I cannot imagine a situation where Ford is the only American company left with a muscle car like the Mustang. The EV push by government aligned with the alphabet agencies rules and edicts against fossil fuels have boxed companies into an unpleasant corner.
Manufacturers have been mandated to have only EV's to sell by date certains, 2030 to 2035. Up until Jan 20, 2025 companies had to figure the EV & anti-fossil fuel agendas would continue. To have a line of EV's to sell requires billions of up front costs. Entire plants switched from ICE over to EV. A disturbing part of this top down mandated EV push so far is not enough people are buying the EV's. Ford has been losing billions on EV's. The EV's are not selling at a rate needed to turn a profit. That with up to $7,500 of incentives plus other not so subtle factors.

I sort of doubt car companies actually prefer EV's over ICE. They are in business to make a profit. They know how to build an ICE vehicle and do make money because ICE will sell well. I tend to agree with you that EV's will be shorter lived and hard, if not impossible, to repair. I suspect the EV will be much like a generation of computer, soon outdated. I also tend to think EV's sadly will be throwaway items much like other appliances have become. I just cannot picture how we can afford to throwaway a $50,000 plus investment in an EV. At least with an ICE you can trade it in or even repair it.
 
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But none of the other press has confirmed the EPA being fixed yet.
Hello; One concern is the folks at these alphabet agencies will be able to drag their feet even in the face of new orders from the new administration. Such is what happened before. DT has spoken of such from his first term. His orders just not carried out.
I think some lessons were learned and those learned lessons may be behind the large number of firings/layoffs. Pretty clear that those running the EPA are behind the green & EV push and have been working against fossil fuels. If folks of that mindset are left in place the onerous rules will not be removed. Some call it a fourth branch of government. Some call it the deep state.
 

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